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Big cat and Bear tale
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 (05-03-2017, 11:54 AM)$uSpiciou$ Wrote:(05-03-2017, 10:43 AM)Garfield Wrote:(05-03-2017, 10:11 AM)Rishi Wrote: Yeah, heh well tigers big enough no doubt they gut that market cornered. But da bears gut mad props for durability and stamina bigleague. I mean I would of thought like say the Siberian tiger would of mauled some bear behind, but from what Ive seen and don't quote me on it, but there is some mother load of accounts on these fights, and tha Bears whip the tiger behinds, I mean like dozens of accounts. So yeh individuality is always a factor, but when you have a bunch load of accounts, and all the tigers lose, that's straight up factual right then and there at that point. Especially when the tigers are prime males and killers some of them. Then you have one bear, waste 3 tigers, and so on. Plus the bear should be bigger usually too. I mean the tiger can win too, but its not on the average beating the bear. All the species aren't equal for sure, they can defend an stuff, but like say a rhino or a bull, those things are going to slaughter the bigcats in fights, on the average, elephant and so on right? Now the lion, I would of thought and had thunk for my whole life those things would get their you know what whipped bad by a tiger, but some bros be posting some mad fights on other sites, and it looks to me now like the lion has a pretty big edge, I mean who'd a thunk it. I don't know if you guys gut any trainer stuff but trainer after trainer I saw is seeing the lion whip the tiger, and killin it too, not just ground pound but I mean straight out lights out, meet your maker stuff. That documentary I saw on Animal Planet a few years ago, huh, the thing turned out to be right after all. Oh yeah, and the leopard is a beast of a fighter too for its size. But yeah, it can go either way depending upon whether one is a wimp or not, but da lion has that mane, and it fights for everything, plus I think they like fighting, I bet the Asiatic's do too not sure, but probably, I think its hard wired. Kind of like pitbulls, you put your money on the one that acts and looks the most aggressive, you do that, and you'll likely make out well, lions seem like that to me, they are up for the fight, if you aint up for it, no matter how big or strong you might get pummeled bad, because at the end of the day the head is still vulnerable, the neck, even on a big dude, they'll still go down if you get the head, same with animals. Yet the lion has that head and neck protected, so it can afford to make mistakes, it can afford to have a bad night, or have a bad start, the tiger really can't. But about the bears and tigers, I was talking to this bear guy on youtube, and he was from another country, I think it was Russia some where around Europe, and he was tellin everyone they have it all backwards, tigers just don't take out grown bears, here's what he posted to me. I thought it was funny becaz all the tiger bros were getting all mad and I'm like give the bear some props guys, I mean their built tough different than cats, stuff is legit. Here's the guys post below, its gut biologist and stuff in it. The male Amur tiger will predate Asiatic black bears and sub adult and female brown bears. According to telemetry data on tigers from 1992-2003, half the attacks on brown bears occur during hibernation but no males were killed despite their vulnerable state of hibernation.. According to former Russian biologist S.P. Kucherenko & early Naturalist N.A. Baikov tigers will only attack bears of similar or smaller size which translates to female and sub adult bears, not the larger male brown bear. There has been no record of male brown bears killed by tigers but there are records of male Amur tigers killed by brown bears & some of them were cannibalized. According to Russian biologists I.V. Seryodkin, N.A. Raikov, & Park Manager G.F. Gorokhov, adult Usurri female brown bear are not easy prey for dominant male Amur tigers either - some of the larger female brown bears have inflicted severe injury to the victorious but bloodied tiger. Adult male Far Eastern brown bears often use and also usurp Amur tiger carrion which sometimes include multiple tigers in the form a mother tiger and her 2-3 year old large adult size offspring. SO THE ANSWER IS, tigers may kill adult males bears while hibernating or via ambush, but on face-to-face encounters, a male brown bear (specially the large far eastern brown bear) could kill even the largest siberian tiger.....................................................................  (05-04-2017, 04:34 AM)Garfield Wrote: Yeah, heh well tigers big enough no doubt they gut that market cornered. But da bears gut mad props for durability and stamina bigleague. I mean I would of thought like say the Siberian tiger would of mauled some bear behind, but from what Ive seen and don't quote me on it, but there is some mother load of accounts on these fights, and tha Bears whip the tiger behinds, I mean like dozens of accounts. So yeh individuality is always a factor, but when you have a bunch load of accounts, and all the tigers lose, that's straight up factual right then and there at that point. Especially when the tigers are prime males and killers some of them. Then you have one bear, waste 3 tigers, and so on. Plus the bear should be bigger usually too. I mean the tiger can win too, but its not on the average beating the bear. All the species aren't equal for sure, they can defend an stuff, but like say a rhino or a bull, those things are going to slaughter the bigcats in fights, on the average, elephant and so on right? Ok, i can see where this is going, so let's get it over with...(Also d MODs r likely gonna delete the post 'cause i reported it for being out of topic, plz don't mind) What the "bear-guy" said is pretty accurate.. given the Eastern-brown's size, the cat might end up on the wrong side in a sh!t-hit-the-fan brawl, with a PRIME MALE. & Mothers (of either species) with cubs would never even take it that far. But the post #47 shows what usual interactions look like (i used cougars as i couldn't find tigers'). (05-04-2017, 05:47 AM)Rishi Wrote:(05-04-2017, 04:34 AM)Garfield Wrote: Yeah, heh well tigers big enough no doubt they gut that market cornered. But da bears gut mad props for durability and stamina bigleague. I mean I would of thought like say the Siberian tiger would of mauled some bear behind, but from what Ive seen and don't quote me on it, but there is some mother load of accounts on these fights, and tha Bears whip the tiger behinds, I mean like dozens of accounts. So yeh individuality is always a factor, but when you have a bunch load of accounts, and all the tigers lose, that's straight up factual right then and there at that point. Especially when the tigers are prime males and killers some of them. Then you have one bear, waste 3 tigers, and so on. Plus the bear should be bigger usually too. I mean the tiger can win too, but its not on the average beating the bear. All the species aren't equal for sure, they can defend an stuff, but like say a rhino or a bull, those things are going to slaughter the bigcats in fights, on the average, elephant and so on right? Oh yeah, I wouldn't mess with a bear, their tough mothers. But yeah thanks for the tip off I'll check out that trainer stuff.
Guys, i found some good interaction videos..seems to fit the bill.
(Anyone wants he can copy-paste it to "BigCat&bear interaction thread") Clip from "Tigress Blood" the docu. on the girl-gang of Telia. Tadoba, Telia girls again, a lame sighting.. Tadoba, sighting.. Ranthambore, Young adult Broken-tail.. Ranthambore, Young adult Machli.. Russia... Kanha.. Pench, Barimada female from docu. "Spy in the jungle"... Pench, same docu. her male, Kalapahar aka Charger-of-Pench.. Russia, Seashore female took a cub..
Yeah great vids, I forgot about that also, boars are tough too, that was a great Russian boar fight with that Siberian, a big boar like that will be more than a match for a lot of tigers. That last CGI video you had was cool too, may have been fake, but that's what I think would probably happen, the tiger would be crouching like a cat is going to pounce on a bird, and than bam it runs into the big bear, and the bear throws it off. I can totally see that.
(05-04-2017, 08:08 AM)Garfield Wrote: Yeah great vids, I forgot about that also, boars are tough too, that was a great Russian boar fight with that Siberian, a big boar like that will be more than a match for a lot of tigers. That last CGI video you had was cool too, may have been fake, but that's what I think would probably happen, the tiger would be crouching like a cat is going to pounce on a bird, and than bam it runs into the big bear, and the bear throws it off. I can totally see that. WILDFACT has seperate thread designated for those kinds of posts> http://wildfact.com/forum/topic-big-cat-...cts?page=7 I'll repost it there. (@sanjay @peter with all due respect, b4 issuing a warning could the MODs point people to the right thread, like you transfer off-context posts?!.. that seems more fair)
Anyway, Himalayan BlackBears are THE most aggressive & dangerous animal of the Subcontinent...Probably the largest of black bears along with the Ussuri.
Jim Corbett documents a case of one driving off a resident male tiger in his memoirs "The temple tiger". It reads something like this:  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author
 (05-10-2017, 02:06 PM)Rishi Wrote: Anyway, Himalayan BlackBears are THE most aggressive & dangerous animal of the Subcontinent...Probably the largest of black bears along with the Ussuri. Yes its an awesome story. But two very important takeaway from the story are : 1. It was sneak attack by the bear and yet at the final moment he launched the attack on the tiger but instead of being surprised and backing away, The tiger roared and faced the bear head on. 2. All this after according to Corbett that was the biggest himalayan bear he had ever seen. 3. After the whole saga upon checking the bear body there was blood dripping from several parts and even corbett admitted it was a real fight and one was bound to die. However the tiger was on usual activity during the next few days and showed no signs of injury. Hence it can be said the individual participating in the fight matters alot. Even against the surprise attack, size of the bear here was a tiger who was a confident male in prime and was not ready to take any crap from any other predator during feast time. So the intent and confidence of any individual is gold during any such encounter. 
The fight was over a carcass, the fresh kill of the tiger. In the end, before the animals were shot, the bear was chasing away the tiger. In this particular scenario, it would have been the bear who won the prize - the carcass. I really hate it that so few "modern hunters" have any real sense of honor concerning the animals. I read a story once about a pioneer hunter and an American Indian who had witnessed a long-lasting and bloody battle between a grizzly and a bull bison. In that particular scenario, the bison was the victor. As the pioneer hunter was about to aim and shoot the big bull bison, the Indian placed a hand on his shoulder and pleaded that the bull had won the right to live. It's about respect. Jim Corbett was wrong in killing these two savage warriors.
(05-10-2017, 04:28 PM)brotherbear Wrote: The fight was over a carcass, the fresh kill of the tiger. In the end, before the animals were shot, the bear was chasing away the tiger. In this particular scenario, it would have been the bear who won the prize - the carcass. I really hate it that so few "modern hunters" have any real sense of honor concerning the animals. I read a story once about a pioneer hunter and an American Indian who had witnessed a long-lasting and bloody battle between a grizzly and a bull bison. In that particular scenario, the bison was the victor. As the pioneer hunter was about to aim and shoot the big bull bison, the Indian placed a hand on his shoulder and pleaded that the bull had won the right to live. It's about respect. Jim Corbett was wrong in killing these two savage warriors. "brotherbear" totally agree with your points. The bear although more injured if going by the description was more in a chance to win the carcass. And yes it was a shame that corbett didn't let nature take its course and let the better fighter win. For this would then have become a proper account of an actual fight between two supreme individuals (both bear and the tiger were prime males).
Whoa..Easy there guys!!!
@$uSpiciou$ don't let yourself sound like the tiger's lawyer & explain why it retreated or how it was uninjured... Not many animals have the testicular fortitude to ambush a prime male tiger..& Ofcourse the "Largehearted gentleman with boundless courage" (-Corbett) would take no crap. Anyway, i DON'T care. Nobody should!! It was one of the most fascinating, realistic documentation of wildlife i read...The ONLY important "takeaway" was that @ The story ends like this...  *This image is copyright of its original author
Post #46. Some of these videos, especially the 6th from the top and the last video in poor taste and very misleading.
(05-10-2017, 10:18 PM)brotherbear Wrote: Post #46. Some of these videos, especially the 6th from the top and the last video in poor taste and very misleading. I know..1st part of the 6th was cut from some film i think, however the encounter looked real, NOT SURE CAN'T SAY..2nd part of it was from a cr@p fabricated "documentary" called: Tigers of Sariska, that used SIBERIANS!!! Last one looks like a documentary, just with lot of incorrect information... I expected the Wildfact audience to be mature enough to do the information & content filtration.
July 2017, Rare encounter between a Male tiger (t-57) and a Sloth Bear at Ranthambore tiger reserve - recorded by Shivansh Sharma.
Looks like he was staying the bear, but blew it.. Tiger pair (couldn't identify) & a bear stand-off in Ranthambore, June 2017.. |
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