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Bears and Big Cats Interactions during Prehistoric Times
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Just like the weather
Posted on February 18, 2015by twilightbeasts North America was a very different place during the Pleistocene. There were no skyscrapers, no highways, no concrete structures at all. Instead the landscape was wild, with grasses and white spruce forests dominating. This rich environment was filled with incredible creatures, including, amongst many, many more; giant short-faced bears, the weird rhino-like Toxodon, huge bison, the speedy pronghorns, enormous Mastodons,saber-tooth cats, cheetahs, and even the American lion. Enormous herbivores were hunted and eaten by incredible predators. This was a time when giants succumbed to giants. Enter this world, through the amazing art of Ted Rechlin, where you can experience a snap shot of life in North America 13,000 years ago. Life was unpredictable. Just like the weather.  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author All images copyright Ted Rechlin (@TedRechlin) Top text Jan Freedman (@JanFreedman) Further Reading: A great post on the Giant short-faced bear here. A lovely post on the American Lion here. https://twilightbeasts.org/2015/02/18/just-like-the-weather/ The website link is here 
@Smilodon-Rex :
About [b]#31:[/b] this comic strip seems to be very interesting. Thank you for having make knowing it ! But, seriously, if the American lion lived in prides as the extant lions do, I believe the short-faced bear might learn to share the killed preys. The comic strip opposes a male and a female American lion against a short-faced bear, ok, no problem for the ursid. But against a pride of 4-5-6 famished lions having just killed a big prey, I doubt the big bear prevailed. Sketched with a ballpoint pen:  *This image is copyright of its original author
@Smilodon-Rex :
About #31: About the short story of the comic strip you showed... The American buffalo's body was pierced by a javelin that is broken by the short-faced bear. So the killers of this buffalo aren't the American lion but the men. Was it a trick by these men in order to draw the most powerful predator of the surroundings and after to kill it ? Early diabolical !
About #32: I tryed to imagine the next step...
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(12-18-2018, 02:20 AM)Spalea Wrote: @Smilodon-Rex :Lions are the tough and brave fighter when they meet other carnivore competitors, especially when they are the coalition, in fact, female American lions may came together for defending their prey, lions and bears were the top carnivores in ica age western America, sometimes short faced bear would won but sometimes American lions would won the conflict, although bear was larger lions would defended together as a pride of 3-4-5, American lions may leaded a small family life that male and female lived together but they may also joined the temporary pride during the autumn or winter season like modern wolves or golden eagle.
@"Smilodon-Rex" :
About #36: agree with you. If the short-faced bear, individually, was the strongest predator, and this by far, he had to share the super-predator title with the American lion living in pride. I don't think the American lion lived in big pride as the extant African lions do, but nevertheless, the prey were certainly less numerous than now on the Serengeti National park, less numerous but certainly bigger (the American buffalo of the Pleistocene, perhaps his favorite prey, weighing till 2 tons...), thus we can think that the American lions could often hunt in pack from 3 to 7-8 individuals. Against 2-3-4 lions the short-faced bear had to move his opponents away. From 5 (and more) lions, the outcome could be inverted, I think... And what about the dire wolf ? If the dire wolf hunted in pack of 30-50 individuals (why not ?), they should have their say on that... (12-20-2018, 01:13 AM)Spalea Wrote: @"Smilodon-Rex" :Dire wolf played an role of spotted hyena, but American lion may be more tough and more confident when conflict with dire wolves, because American lion was larger and stronger than modern African lion but dire wolf just the modern hyena size, so dire wolves major competitor was smilodon fatalis becasue they were at the same class in food-chain of Ice age North America.  *This image is copyright of its original author North American Predators Some of the extinct Pleistocene predators of North America. Arctodus Simus, American Lion, Smilodon Fatalis, American Cheetah and Dire Wolf. 
Is there any strong evidence that Panthera atrox lived and hunted in a pride like true lions? Or might they have been loners like a tiger?
(12-27-2018, 06:20 PM)brotherbear Wrote: Is there any strong evidence that Panthera atrox lived and hunted in a pride like true lions? Or might they have been loners like a tiger? Strong evidence perhaps not... Several hypothesis in this link: http://www.prehistoric-wildlife.com/spec...atrox.html
I personally believe that perhaps some of the animals found in the tar pits less often were simply smarter animals who sometimes recognized the danger. Just a theory of course.
(12-27-2018, 06:20 PM)brotherbear Wrote: Is there any strong evidence that Panthera atrox lived and hunted in a pride like true lions? Or might they have been loners like a tiger?Panthera atrox may likely to live and hunt in a couple or single like tiger in usual but sometimes it may joined together as a temporary group like modern Asiatic lion or golden eagle, the most possible living model was a male which lived with several females shared the common territory.  *This image is copyright of its original author According to the latest report that Panthera spalea may lived in a small family, like what the picture shows  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author The cave walls ofChauvet and Lascaux contain brilliantly realistic images of this extinct animal, showing that it lived in prides, and that males were maneless. We know this because in a few images, the adult male scrotum is obvious, and the mane is absent. |
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