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Dark Mane wandered even south to the territory of N'was males. Hopefully he will head the north soon, though, and rejoin the Talamati pride.
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(03-11-2022, 12:54 PM)lionuk Wrote: Dark Mane wandered even south to the territory of N'was males. Hopefully he will head the north soon, though, and rejoin the Talamati pride.
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Strange developments with DM. First he’s seen on a giraffe kill with the Kambula sub-adults, then in N’was territory. Now it’s being reported he’s gone into Kruger.
I guess the hopes and beliefs that he’d join back up with Mohawk/Blondie are pretty much nil at this point. I hope he stays safe because he seems to be taking a lot of risks lately.
(03-11-2022, 12:54 PM)lionuk Wrote: Dark Mane wandered even south to the territory of N'was males. Hopefully he will head the north soon, though, and rejoin the Talamati pride.
Credit: keenan
*This image is copyright of its original author
Strange developments with DM. First he’s seen on a giraffe kill with the Kambula sub-adults, then in N’was territory. Now it’s being reported he’s gone into Kruger.
I guess the hopes and beliefs that he’d join back up with Mohawk/Blondie are pretty much nil at this point. I hope he stays safe because he seems to be taking a lot of risks lately.
True. DM is really playing with fire by straying so far out of his usual territory, particularly in a region of Kruger that is stacked with powerful male coalitions. Him rejoining his brothers is pretty much a dead issue at this point (unless Mother Nature dictates otherwise) but the longer he stays south, the higher his chances of losing his territory and Talamati pride.
Correct me if I'm wrong but his immediate rivals to his territory are the Imbali male and the Kruger male, no?
03-15-2022, 12:53 AM( This post was last modified: 03-15-2022, 01:01 AM by Tr1x24 )
(03-14-2022, 11:51 PM)Rabubi Wrote: True. DM is really playing with fire by straying so far out of his usual territory, particularly in a region of Kruger that is stacked with powerful male coalitions. Him rejoining his brothers is pretty much a dead issue at this point (unless Mother Nature dictates otherwise) but the longer he stays south, the higher his chances of losing his territory and Talamati pride.
Correct me if I'm wrong but his immediate rivals to his territory are the Imbali male and the Kruger male, no?
Him moving out means he doesnt consider himself a dominant/territorial male anymore (nobody directly tookover his territory),in fact, he prob didn't consider himself a dominant male for few months now, he was only following and staying with Talamatis for food, once they abandon him, he moved out..
Now, why he "lost" his dominance is quite a mystery, but here are few "possible" reasons:
1. In late 2021, he got heavly pressured by Imbali male, even chased few times, he didn't stand to him, and allow him to take part of his territory and few females, althrough now Imbali male and those Talamati females are further north, that scenario showed us "cracks" in DM's confidence and dominance, if he is affraid to confort 1 enemy male and defend his territory and pride, well, you are not capable of being territorial male.
2. In late 2021, his 2 brothers, who where expanding south, got push back into his "domain", althrough majority of people think these 3 still operate as coalition, we now see they dont. That doesnt mean that Mohawk and Blondie would attack or harm him , they wouldn't, but they are clearly "stronger" and more dominant then him (Mohawk dominating DM on that video), and since they returned back north, DM who couldn't stand to them, was in a way "pressured" by them and squeezed on a small territory. Lions feel weakness, Mohawk and Blondie definitely felt that in DM, and thats prob the reason why they didn't accept him back, or he was too afraid to even try to come back...Lion society works on "strenght", even if you are brothers, if you are weak and dont stand up, you will get bullied and beaten (another recent example is Skorro Jr and Scar, lions helping each others are fairy tails..)
3. Now, why is DM confidence so low, theres definitely a reason for that, and i believe its his foot injury, yes, he is walking better recently, but im 100% sure that injury definitely took a tool on his mental state and confidence over the years, he became shell of himself, and althrough most people disagreed, i believe that that injury is the reason why he distance himself from his brothers in a first place and sticked with Talamatis only (he didn't have to fight and compete with his brothers).
4. He also might have some unknown to us health problems, in recent months he was seen quite skinny few times, which is unusuall for him, and he lost a bit of mane recently. Lions who are on a death door step, feel that, they just move out of their area, roam around, eventually never to be seen again (hope thats not the case with DM..)
I think mixure of all these things (except 4. , which we dont know if thats the case) is the reason, Talamatis abandoning him was only a trigger for his issues.
(03-14-2022, 11:51 PM)Rabubi Wrote: True. DM is really playing with fire by straying so far out of his usual territory, particularly in a region of Kruger that is stacked with powerful male coalitions. Him rejoining his brothers is pretty much a dead issue at this point (unless Mother Nature dictates otherwise) but the longer he stays south, the higher his chances of losing his territory and Talamati pride.
Correct me if I'm wrong but his immediate rivals to his territory are the Imbali male and the Kruger male, no?
Him moving out means he doesnt consider himself a dominant/territorial male anymore (nobody directly tookover his territory),in fact, he prob didn't consider himself a dominant male for few months now, he was only following and staying with Talamatis for food, once they abandon him, he moved out..
Now, why he "lost" his dominance is quite a mystery, but here are few "possible" reasons:
1. In late 2021, he got heavly pressured by Imbali male, even chased few times, he didn't stand to him, and allow him to take part of his territory and few females, althrough now Imbali male and those Talamati females are further north, that scenario showed us "cracks" in DM's confidence and dominance, if he is affraid to confort 1 enemy male and defend his territory and pride, well, you are not capable of being territorial male.
2. In late 2021, his 2 brothers, who where expanding south, got push back into his "domain", althrough majority of people think these 3 still operate as coalition, we now see they dont. That doesnt mean that Mohawk and Blondie would attack or harm him , they wouldn't, but they are clearly "stronger" and more dominant then him (Mohawk dominating DM on that video), and since they returned back north, DM who couldn't stand to them, was in a way "pressured" by them and squeezed on a small territory. Lions feel weakness, Mohawk and Blondie definitely felt that in DM, and thats prob the reason why they didn't accept him back, or he was too afraid to even try to come back...Lion society works on "strenght", even if you are brothers, if you are weak and dont stand up, you will get bullied and beaten (another recent example is Skorro Jr and Scar, lions helping each others are fairy tails..)
3. Now, why is DM confidence so low, theres definitely a reason for that, and i believe its his foot injury, yes, he is walking better recently, but im 100% sure that injury definitely took a tool on his mental state and confidence over the years, he became shell of himself, and althrough most people disagreed, i believe that that injury is the reason why he distance himself from his brothers in a first place and sticked with Talamatis only (he didn't have to fight and compete with his brothers).
4. He also might have some unknown to us health problems, in recent months he was seen quite skinny few times, which is unusuall for him, and he lost a bit of mane recently. Lions who are on a death door step, feel that, they just move out of their area, roam around, eventually never to be seen again (hope thats not the case with DM..)
I think mixure of all these things (except 4. , which we dont know if thats the case) is the reason, Talamatis abandoning him was only a trigger for his issues.
What a explaination!!!
Completely agree.
Just one point, why couldn't he make coalition with his own sons??
Whether they also smell the weakness?
But anyway, they have to leave the pride now or then.
There are 6 talanati girls, all sexually active and most importantly without any cubs. No male/ coalition gonna loose this opportunity. PC/Tumbellas/ imbali Or even mohawk/ blondie are the top contenders.
Wasn't it a bad deal to have a fully grown male lion with dark mane on your side when u will start nomadic life as a coalition of just 2 subs
The same issues as him joining up with his brothers I guess. All they see is a frail weak liability. While he himself is probably not yet willing to accept that his days as a king are over permanently and that he needs to submit to others for protection.
I think he is looking for a unprotected pride where he can be the lone king of again with zero rivals. But that only exists in his fantasies.
(03-14-2022, 11:51 PM)Rabubi Wrote: True. DM is really playing with fire by straying so far out of his usual territory, particularly in a region of Kruger that is stacked with powerful male coalitions. Him rejoining his brothers is pretty much a dead issue at this point (unless Mother Nature dictates otherwise) but the longer he stays south, the higher his chances of losing his territory and Talamati pride.
Correct me if I'm wrong but his immediate rivals to his territory are the Imbali male and the Kruger male, no?
Him moving out means he doesnt consider himself a dominant/territorial male anymore (nobody directly tookover his territory),in fact, he prob didn't consider himself a dominant male for few months now, he was only following and staying with Talamatis for food, once they abandon him, he moved out..
Now, why he "lost" his dominance is quite a mystery, but here are few "possible" reasons:
1. In late 2021, he got heavly pressured by Imbali male, even chased few times, he didn't stand to him, and allow him to take part of his territory and few females, althrough now Imbali male and those Talamati females are further north, that scenario showed us "cracks" in DM's confidence and dominance, if he is affraid to confort 1 enemy male and defend his territory and pride, well, you are not capable of being territorial male.
2. In late 2021, his 2 brothers, who where expanding south, got push back into his "domain", althrough majority of people think these 3 still operate as coalition, we now see they dont. That doesnt mean that Mohawk and Blondie would attack or harm him , they wouldn't, but they are clearly "stronger" and more dominant then him (Mohawk dominating DM on that video), and since they returned back north, DM who couldn't stand to them, was in a way "pressured" by them and squeezed on a small territory. Lions feel weakness, Mohawk and Blondie definitely felt that in DM, and thats prob the reason why they didn't accept him back, or he was too afraid to even try to come back...Lion society works on "strenght", even if you are brothers, if you are weak and dont stand up, you will get bullied and beaten (another recent example is Skorro Jr and Scar, lions helping each others are fairy tails..)
3. Now, why is DM confidence so low, theres definitely a reason for that, and i believe its his foot injury, yes, he is walking better recently, but im 100% sure that injury definitely took a tool on his mental state and confidence over the years, he became shell of himself, and althrough most people disagreed, i believe that that injury is the reason why he distance himself from his brothers in a first place and sticked with Talamatis only (he didn't have to fight and compete with his brothers).
4. He also might have some unknown to us health problems, in recent months he was seen quite skinny few times, which is unusuall for him, and he lost a bit of mane recently. Lions who are on a death door step, feel that, they just move out of their area, roam around, eventually never to be seen again (hope thats not the case with DM..)
I think mixure of all these things (except 4. , which we dont know if thats the case) is the reason, Talamatis abandoning him was only a trigger for his issues.
What a explaination!!!
Completely agree.
Just one point, why couldn't he make coalition with his own sons??
Whether they also smell the weakness? But anyway, they have to leave the pride now or then.
There are 6 talanati girls, all sexually active and most importantly without any cubs. No male/ coalition gonna loose this opportunity. PC/Tumbellas/ imbali Or even mohawk/ blondie are the top contenders.
Wasn't it a bad deal to have a fully grown male lion with dark mane on your side when u will start nomadic life as a coalition of just 2 subs
Aren’t the sub-adult males still hanging out with the sub-adult females and Silver Eye? I imagine they’ll continue to hang with what’s left of the pride until a dominant male comes along and pushes them out or once the younger sub females start going into estrus and leave them to mate. With so many dominant males around I doubt the sub-adult males will end up mating with their sisters. Also, the young sub females could also leave and join back up with the other pride members who are with Imbali at some point.
Quote:The same issues as him joining up with his brothers I guess. All they see is a frail weak liability. While he himself is probably not yet willing to accept that his days as a king are over permanently and that he needs to submit to others for protection.
I think he is looking for a unprotected pride where he can be the lone king of again with zero rivals. But that only exists in his fantasies.
It’s funny how we talk about these animals like they have problem solving capabilities and can build strategy and have dreams like humans when they’re really just animals. Intelligent to the point of what’s required for their species but not strategist. Anyway, I think DM is running purely on instinct. Like all lions his sole purpose is to eat, sleep and mate. Now that there is nothing for him in Djuma as @ Tr1x24 said, he’s most likely gone nomadic and is now just using his basic skills to survive.
(03-15-2022, 06:54 AM)DARK MANE Wrote: Just one point, why couldn't he make coalition with his own sons??
Sons are still with the pride, and will be prob until some coalition oust them, they are not nomadic yet, its not like DM can say to them, come with me.
What I outlined is perfectly in line with what we expect animals to be capable off.
If lions really were such dumb mindless animals, uncapable of weighing their options with no desires in life we wouldnt even see 1% of the complex interactions and behavoir we see today.
(03-21-2022, 01:26 PM)lionuk Wrote: DM seen on Sabi Sabi
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This boy just needs a good meal or two immediately.
He is not going to give up this early. He is very resilient. Even if he has silver eye lioness, he will make through easily
