Big cat and Bear tale

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(01-31-2024, 10:56 PM)Pckts Wrote:

(01-31-2024, 09:09 PM)Apex Titan Wrote:

(01-30-2024, 07:58 PM)Pckts Wrote: You don’t know what an average sloth Bear looks like and there is no debate, that’s a small Sloth Bear. Females can be as large as males with sizes weighed at 130kgs and average around 100kgs. 
A photographer stating a bear to be an adult means little and like it’s already been stated, young animals can still have large canines. I’m not saying it’s a sub adult or not but it most certainly is a small bear and possibly could be a sub adult or young adult.

Of course I know what an average sloth bear looks like. I've seen countless videos/pictures of adult sloth bears, and I can clearly see that this bear was an adult bear killed by the tiger. Whether it was small, medium, or large sized is NOT my point. My point is, regardless of the size, this was an adult sloth bear killed. And looks like an average-sized bear.

You're overestimating the size of sloth bears. They're not that big, the average sloth bear is significantly smaller than a adult male tiger.

And that photographer who stated that the bear was an adult, has FAR MORE experience in the wild than you at filming and observing tigers, sloth bears and other wildlife. You did only ONE single safari trip in India as a tourist and then act like you're some kind of an expert on the sizes of tigers and sloth bears. Your personal experience doesn't even compare to Arun Kumar's experiences, period. So yes, there is no debate.

Lets look at it this way.... a forum poster who did only one single safari trip as a tourist about 7 years ago, says its not a full-grown adult bear killed, whereas on the other hand, an actual Indian wildlife photographer who lives and works in India, has way, way more field experience at observing and filming tigers, sloth bears etc, says the bear was a fully-grown adult. Now, going by logic and common sense, who do you think I should listen to??

A picture is only as big as what's on your screen, you've never seen one, that's the point. You have no idea what they look like, how big they can be or how they would compare to another animal that you've never seen. 

And how many tours have you done?
I went to 3 different parks, did 5+ tours at each park, what's your experience?
Is my experience as much as his, definitely not but it certainly far exceeds yours and any photographer or expert in general will not be able to determine the age of something  without obvious identification help, like a family history or close proximity observations and even then it's a crapshoot. Then especially when it comes Bears that have no obvious age signs outside of the scars on their face or body deterioration, none of which that bear showed from the limited images we could see. 


So save your attitude, as fanatical as you are about this, you're better off taking a step back and start looking at the natural world through a more realistic lens.

Oh wow....amazing, you went to 3 different parks and did 5+tours in each park, just amazing! Like none of the many tens of thousands of random laymen/tourists haven't done before, right?

And how many times in your entire life have you done this? ONCE. And how many years ago? 7 years ago!  You talk like you've done safari's in India multiple times over the years. Your experience is equal to or even much less than many tourists.


You claim you saw an impressive big male sloth bear, so show me the picture?  Seeing a big male bear, you must have taken a picture, right?

Yes, I do look at the natural world through a realistic lens, just like biologists, zoologists, and forest rangers etc do, unlike you, who arrogantly dismisses countless factual accounts and evidence of tigers killing bears and bull gaurs reported and documented by actual real experts (with a huge amount of field experience).... LOOK IN THE MIRROR!!

And this photo shows the typical size ratio difference between an adult male tiger and a adult sloth bear:

*This image is copyright of its original author

Also note, adult sloth bears usually look bigger because they have very thick shaggy fur coats, which adds to the illusion of their size. But this bear was killed in the water, so its wet coat, being soaked and pressed down, makes it appear somewhat smaller than it would actually look with a dry coat. Reply