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(12-09-2023, 05:30 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote: New updated map since July:
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Some news since:
- S8/Imbali male passed away recently, due to disease
- 2 Talamati breakaway subs died aswell
- old Talamati female passed away few months ago due to old age
- S. Avocas lost territory to 7 Nkhulu males in July, 1 S.Avoca disappeared
- Nkhulus killed few cubs/subs in SR pride, looks like SR breakaway has 4M and 2F remaining
- Ximhungwe/Gingerella had 3 cubs, 1 died recently
- 1 SP cub got killed recently by Tamalati pride, who establish themselves south under Gijimas
- SP killed older adult Styx female few months ago
- NK male after being seen with Tumbela and 2 Talamatis, currently is with Skorro Breakaway young male
- Kambula young males are pressuring 2 BDMs
- Torchwood numbers might not be up to date, no recent info
- some members of Imbali and Nharu prides are ocassionaly seen in the north, as are members of Plains Camp pride in the south
(12-09-2023, 10:38 PM)Mapokser Wrote: Incredible map as always, though I think it'd have been better to wait a week or two since it seems BDM are getting ousted by Kambulas.
(12-09-2023, 05:30 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote: New updated map since July:
*This image is copyright of its original author
Some news since:
- S8/Imbali male passed away recently, due to disease
- 2 Talamati breakaway subs died aswell
- old Talamati female passed away few months ago due to old age
- S. Avocas lost territory to 7 Nkhulu males in July, 1 S.Avoca disappeared
- Nkhulus killed few cubs/subs in SR pride, looks like SR breakaway has 4M and 2F remaining
- Ximhungwe/Gingerella had 3 cubs, 1 died recently
- 1 SP cub got killed recently by Tamalati pride, who establish themselves south under Gijimas
- SP killed older adult Styx female few months ago
- NK male after being seen with Tumbela and 2 Talamatis, currently is with Skorro Breakaway young male
- Kambula young males are pressuring 2 BDMs
- Torchwood numbers might not be up to date, no recent info
- some members of Imbali and Nharu prides are ocassionaly seen in the north, as are members of Plains Camp pride in the south
Incredible update, as always, my friend. A lot of movement recently, so much going on/ Thank you for this!
12-11-2023, 04:34 AM( This post was last modified: 12-11-2023, 04:36 AM by Cath2020 )
(12-10-2023, 02:02 AM)BA0701 Wrote:
(12-09-2023, 05:30 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote: New updated map since July:
*This image is copyright of its original author
Some news since:
- S8/Imbali male passed away recently, due to disease
- 2 Talamati breakaway subs died aswell
- old Talamati female passed away few months ago due to old age
- S. Avocas lost territory to 7 Nkhulu males in July, 1 S.Avoca disappeared
- Nkhulus killed few cubs/subs in SR pride, looks like SR breakaway has 4M and 2F remaining
- Ximhungwe/Gingerella had 3 cubs, 1 died recently
- 1 SP cub got killed recently by Tamalati pride, who establish themselves south under Gijimas
- SP killed older adult Styx female few months ago
- NK male after being seen with Tumbela and 2 Talamatis, currently is with Skorro Breakaway young male
- Kambula young males are pressuring 2 BDMs
- Torchwood numbers might not be up to date, no recent info
- some members of Imbali and Nharu prides are ocassionaly seen in the north, as are members of Plains Camp pride in the south
Incredible update, as always, my friend. A lot of movement recently, so much going on/ Thank you for this!
I think there are actually 5 lionesses in the Sand River Pride....unless you're counting one of them as a younger sub? There are the 2 Manthemahle daughters, the remaining Toulon daughter, plus 2 older S. Avoca daughters. One of the Avoca daughters is almost 4, while the other is just over 3. They both should be safe from the Nkhulus, hopefully.
One of the guides stated that he sighted 3 males/3 females in the breakaway group, but he could just as easily have made a mistake in ID'ing one of the males as females....since many are now saying that there are 4 males/2 females in the group.
(12-11-2023, 04:34 AM)Cath2020 Wrote: One of the Avoca daughters is almost 4, while the other is just over 3.
Theres only 1 older S.Avoca daughter, born around late 2019.
There's 2 according to the Mala Mala Reports.... however they are not updating the pride numbers for some reason. I guess the lodges are not communicating much with each other about deaths/lion pride numbers, etc.
There are 2 older females...unless one of them disappeared or died, which none of us was updated on, at least not on the public pages or lodge websites.
12-12-2023, 05:18 PM( This post was last modified: 12-12-2023, 05:33 PM by Tr1x24 )
(12-12-2023, 04:42 AM)Cath2020 Wrote: There's 2 according to the Mala Mala Reports.... however they are not updating the pride numbers for some reason. I guess the lodges are not communicating much with each other about deaths/lion pride numbers, etc.
There are 2 older females...unless one of them disappeared or died, which none of us was updated on, at least not on the public pages or lodge websites.
They are not updated.
Composition of Sand River pride in 2020, before new cubs of S.Avocas where born (in mid to late 2020) was :
- 2 old females (Toulons)
- 2 young females (Mantimahles)
- 1 sub/cub female (S.Avocas)
Then cubs where born from mid/late 2020 and 2021 in various litters.
1 adult female was killed recently (not sure which, some say it was 1/2 Toulons)
Meaning there is still 4 adult females alive, if we count 2019 female as adult now.
From those new offspring, mid/late 2020 onwards, not sure how many females.
Recently SR sub group was seen on several occasions of 2 females and 4 males, but might be more of them, idk.
(12-09-2023, 05:30 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote: New updated map since July:
*This image is copyright of its original author
Some news since:
- S8/Imbali male passed away recently, due to disease
- 2 Talamati breakaway subs died aswell
- old Talamati female passed away few months ago due to old age
- S. Avocas lost territory to 7 Nkhulu males in July, 1 S.Avoca disappeared
- Nkhulus killed few cubs/subs in SR pride, looks like SR breakaway has 4M and 2F remaining
- Ximhungwe/Gingerella had 3 cubs, 1 died recently
- 1 SP cub got killed recently by Tamalati pride, who establish themselves south under Gijimas
- SP killed older adult Styx female few months ago
- NK male after being seen with Tumbela and 2 Talamatis, currently is with Skorro Breakaway young male
- Kambula young males are pressuring 2 BDMs
- Torchwood numbers might not be up to date, no recent info
- some members of Imbali and Nharu prides are ocassionaly seen in the north, as are members of Plains Camp pride in the south
Panthera maps from WildEarth. Steve said these are from the final quarterly update of 2023, so a few months old at this point. Still interesting to see the movements of the different prides and coalitions.
(12-09-2023, 05:30 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote: New updated map since July:
*This image is copyright of its original author
Some news since:
- S8/Imbali male passed away recently, due to disease
- 2 Talamati breakaway subs died aswell
- old Talamati female passed away few months ago due to old age
- S. Avocas lost territory to 7 Nkhulu males in July, 1 S.Avoca disappeared
- Nkhulus killed few cubs/subs in SR pride, looks like SR breakaway has 4M and 2F remaining
- Ximhungwe/Gingerella had 3 cubs, 1 died recently
- 1 SP cub got killed recently by Tamalati pride, who establish themselves south under Gijimas
- SP killed older adult Styx female few months ago
- NK male after being seen with Tumbela and 2 Talamatis, currently is with Skorro Breakaway young male
- Kambula young males are pressuring 2 BDMs
- Torchwood numbers might not be up to date, no recent info
- some members of Imbali and Nharu prides are ocassionaly seen in the north, as are members of Plains Camp pride in the south
06-25-2024, 04:42 PM( This post was last modified: 06-25-2024, 04:51 PM by Tr1x24 )
New updated map since last one (December 2023):
*This image is copyright of its original author
Some updates since last time:
- NK breakaway female RidgeNose was killed by Mhangeni pride
- 1/3 NK 2016 females was killed, unknown by who
- oldest NK pride female Chela was also killed by PCMs who invaded north
- Lip Scar NK young male found dead in Singita, his bros moved into Kruger (Plains Camp area)
- 1/2 oldest Mhangeni females passed away
- 1 of Styx sub females was killed by Msuthu pride, when mating with Gijima males
- Talamati pride was renamed into Msuthu (or Msutlu?) pride, down south
- 3/4 oldest Kambula females split, they where named Ntsevu pride
- BDMs lost territory towards end of 2023, 1 male left Sabi Sands
- Dark Maned Talamati young male disappeared at the end of 2023
- Talamati pride are down to 3 members, 1 adult and 2 subs
- some prides got new cubs
- I decided to remove members of Torchwood pride as we cant get enough info and regular updates on them, so no point of showcasing wrong info
- I added Imbali Breakaways up north, under Kruger male
You didn't do the PC Males properly. They are like Bugs Bunny in that classic baseball episode. You should have put them on the map in every single section....
Maps of Sabi Sand Coalitions Males and Prides
