Crocodile and Big cats Interaction

[lionjaguar]

(05-01-2021, 01:27 AM)Pckts Wrote:

(05-01-2021, 01:08 AM)lionjaguar Wrote:

(05-01-2021, 01:05 AM)Pckts Wrote:

(05-01-2021, 12:34 AM)lionjaguar Wrote:

(04-30-2021, 10:18 PM)Pckts Wrote:

(04-30-2021, 05:37 AM)lionjaguar Wrote:

(10-18-2020, 05:49 PM)Pckts Wrote: I agree, I've not heard of any lions who've been specialized Croc killers. There is a reason Lions hate water and that is because of what lurks not because they get their mane wet. 

That's 100% not true. Most cat species don't like water. Amazonian jaguars love water even though they coexist with black caimans. Okavango lions often swim and enjoy water even though Nile crocodiles are common in the Okavango Delta.
There is no such as either animals will be superior and cats will afraid of water due to bigger crocodiles like Nile crocodiles. Lions are not really built for hunting and killing unlike other cats. They have the worst hunting skills compared to other cats. They seemed less agile too. If lions were equal as jaguars, then there will be more interesting interaction between Nile crocodiles and lions.

Jaguars rarely cross path's with Black Caimans.

And I'm curious, when exactly do you think Lions are wading into Croc infested waters in the Delta and when they do, do you think they have another choice?
I'm not sure where you get the idea that they "enjoy" the water? They certainly don't and would prefer the safer dry land but they've adapted in the Delta since they have no choice. I also disagree about your claims in regards to a  Lions hunting prowess, I believe that is untrue as well. 
Lastly, Jaguars would not behave the way they do in Pantanal if the waters were filled with Nile Crocs and Hippos they are just offered the luxury of not having to deal with them.

Of course they are avoiding water because of crocodiles. But many captive lions also don't spend their time in water. Have you seen captive lions love water? Where is your evidence claiming that cat species hate water because of crocodiles? My neighbor's cats hate water. They have never seen any crocodiles, alligators, and caimans. Are you going to tell me that they evolved to hate water just because of crocodiles or alligators? Have you seen other urban bobcats? Most cat species don't like water. 

My dad was in the US military and I lived in Africa for 2 years. I think lions had one of the worst hunting skills when they hunt alone. If you think the lion has the same hunting skills as many other cats, then you should watch more videos and lions. There's also one video in youtube that comparing skills between one jaguar and 2 male lions. A jaguar was way superior than male lions. When I find that video again, I'll post it. Their agility and hunting skills do not develop like other cats. Africa is the only continent where many abundant numbers of huge herbivores had survived unlike other continents. I believe lions have evolved further to make them suitable for hunting as a group and a big herbivores in Africa. 

You probably need to read more careful. Why are you bring up hippo? When did I wrote hippo? I did not said jaguars will be superior or enjoy water if Nile crocodiles are in Pantanal. I said there will be more interesting interactions between crocodiles and lions if lions were the same as jaguars. I am referring jagaurs are preferring reptiles and their reptile hunting skills if you still don't understand. Lions are bigger and stronger than jaguars. They are also social cats and hunt together.

In regards to Lions and water, you're all over the board, it's tough to read your point.

The hunting claim is baseless though, I could post video after video of Lions successfully hunting alone and doing so against large prey. But if you already have this preconceived notion that they are "bad hunters" then it will do no good. In regards to a hunting test between a Jaguar and 2 male lions, I'm sure it's a captive setting and there are many other factors that come into play. Jaguars are much more suited to hunt in water or in short bursts on land while Lions are more suited to hunt in a longer chase on land. You need to understand their morphological differences and how they play a role in their hunting tactics.

I added some sentences. You probably missed it.
Imagine that lions have both merits on their sociality and jaguar's caiman hunting skills. I read many youtube comments that jaguars can't stand chance against Nile crocodiles even if Nile crocodiles were small as caimans. That's 100% false. Nile crocodiles or even Saltwater crocodiles will be the perfect food source to jaguars just like caimans in Pantanal.

But what does that have to do with a Lions hunting capabilities?
Of course if Nile Croc's or Salties only got to 10' long and weighed 100kg then they'd be Jaguar prey, there is no doubt about it. But that isn't the case, they're double the length and almost 10x's as heavy.

I don't have time to discuss this unlike you are spending in wildfact. Just type "lion and crocodile," "lion and monitor lizard," "jaguar and caiman," and "jaguar and crocodile" in youtube, and watch it. Do you think lions are more skillful than jaguars when they hunt reptiles and unusual prey besides medium and big mammals. Even 2-5 female and male lions are struggling to catch 2-3m long Nile crocodiles.
This is just my opinion, it seems that lions have evolved to hunt many different large herbivores that have survived in Africa. That's why they have morphological differences just like you wrote. That's why lions also have social behaviors unlike other cats. It's too risky to hunt huge animals like cape buffalos and giant elands alone in open areas where herbivores are living as a group. Grey wolves hunt American bison more often than grizzly bears.

I only said about saltwater crocodiles and Nile crocodiles since many people think they will always be invincible even if they were small like caimans. Reply