Kambula/Ntsevu males

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(10-05-2024, 05:16 AM)Ngonya Wrote:

(10-05-2024, 04:48 AM)Go131810 Wrote: The Plain camp male lions are not really with the Nukhumas? I know it is three lionesses, but there is a pride they do not really see the Mahangenis.

The Plains Camps aren't the dominants over Nkuhuma pride, tbf no one really is actually. 
Covering the territories they already control is pretty much a impressive job regardless.

(10-05-2024, 04:48 AM)Go131810 Wrote: They have not really been lions fighting other male lions they have chased the lone Tumbela male lion, but I think the Ndhzenga male lions are the strongest [...] The plain Camp male lions are impressive I just do not think they are better than the Ndhzenga male lions although they are a bit older than the Plain Camp male lions at 9 years of age. The Plain camps male lions have been seen with the Ximungwe lioness, the young Othowa lioness, the Tsalala. I am hoping that means they are going to spend more time in the West.

All that altercation of the Ndzhengas chasing the two Plains Camp out of Londolozi just gave people TOO MUCH confidence to underestimate the PCM. 
During a invasion, the defenders will likely have the upperhand.
2 Selatis chased 3 Majingilanes out of the west back in the day, and that didn't make the Selatis the strongest/"better" coalition during the dispute.
A more recent example can be mentioned such as the Nkuhlus and Gijimas constantly chasing each other back and forth. In Nkuhlu territory, the young Nkuhlu males are the pursuers | in Gijima territory, the experienced Gijima males are the pursuers
and that doesnt make one coalition better than the other, just the odds are different. 

But when its the Plains Camp males getting chased once (or whatever) by the Ndzhengas, people already start talking about it like a huge loss or whatever.
A fun fact that has been mentioned more than once at different thread/topics here at Wildfact is that the Plains Camp dominated most of the persecution according to a guide, Ndzhengas only succeding to get rid of them after a couple of hours.

And im not trying to underestimate Ndzhengas, but personally i would risk to say that i think the PCM are stronger than them and would have the advantage in a physical confrontation. (not only against Ndzhengas but against any other lions at Sabi Sands... Only ones i see as tie are their half brothers, the Mantimahle males, who i think are the males you refer as "Torchwood Males"

edit: im not saying you are underestimating the PCM, thats just a commentary in general due to recent and previous experienced, not exactly on wildfact, of people talking down on Plains Camp males. Always mentioning the special persecution with Ndzhengas. 

I think people now underestimating or downplaying the PC males' 'strength' is just a reaction to them being overhyped before that encounter. A bit like the Ndzengas were regularly belittled as not really impressive (by people including Londolozi guides), now people are perhaps overhyping them a bit, especially in comparison to the PC males. In both cases the pendulum swung the other way. It's as you said, home territory advantage is a huge factor. If the Ndzengas had gone into PC territory, the reverse would have likely happened.

But it has to be said that the PC males have had very few fights against full-grown males (Nhena, Tumbela and K5), the Ndzengas not many more (S Avocas, Delaporte, possibly Tinyo, S BDMs x2). So for me it's difficult to say if either of the two duos are stronger than the other.

By the 'Torchwood males' they might have been referring to the young Torchwood males, sons of the Kruger/Torchwood males.

But this is the Kambula/Ntsevu males thread, not the place for discussing PC vs Ndzenga. Reply