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10-30-2022, 06:52 AM( This post was last modified: 10-30-2022, 06:52 AM by BA0701 )
(10-30-2022, 06:34 AM)criollo2mil Wrote:
(10-29-2022, 10:39 PM)BA0701 Wrote: @Tr1x24 and @criollo2mil , I suppose I always focused on his "proud flesh", as I had never noticed it either.
I remember when they first began their trek and expansion onto the Kambula territory almost a year ago, that Sean from Londolozi remarked about “two of them having wonky paws”. Hehe. His isn’t obvious, I’ve actually only detected it a few times myself
It is strange enough to see an injury like that on any lion, much less two in the same coalition. Odds on that must be astronomical.
10-31-2022, 12:45 AM( This post was last modified: 10-31-2022, 12:48 AM by Cath2020 )
(10-30-2022, 06:52 AM)BA0701 Wrote:
(10-30-2022, 06:34 AM)criollo2mil Wrote:
(10-29-2022, 10:39 PM)BA0701 Wrote: @Tr1x24 and @criollo2mil , I suppose I always focused on his "proud flesh", as I had never noticed it either.
I remember when they first began their trek and expansion onto the Kambula territory almost a year ago, that Sean from Londolozi remarked about “two of them having wonky paws”. Hehe. His isn’t obvious, I’ve actually only detected it a few times myself
It is strange enough to see an injury like that on any lion, much less two in the same coalition. Odds on that must be astronomical.
Yes, therefore this reinforces in my mine that they could be related. I don't think Ubuso is necessarily from a different pride as it's not been proven 100%. Yes, he looks different than the others, but he could be the son of an unrelated male in a coalition, plus a lioness who's related to Gore's mother..... What are the odds they they have the same wonky turned-out paw and come from different prides? I think it's less likely (but not inconceivable of course, maybe coincidence? Same type of injury? Not as probable, but maybe.....)
(10-29-2022, 10:39 PM)BA0701 Wrote: @Tr1x24 and @criollo2mil , I suppose I always focused on his "proud flesh", as I had never noticed it either.
I remember when they first began their trek and expansion onto the Kambula territory almost a year ago, that Sean from Londolozi remarked about “two of them having wonky paws”. Hehe. His isn’t obvious, I’ve actually only detected it a few times myself
It is strange enough to see an injury like that on any lion, much less two in the same coalition. Odds on that must be astronomical.
Yes, therefore this reinforces in my mine that they could be related. I don't think Ubuso is necessarily from a different pride as it's not been proven 100%. Yes, he looks different than the others, but he could be the son of an unrelated male in a coalition, plus a lioness who's related to Gore's mother..... What are the odds they they have the same wonky turned-out paw and come from different prides? I think it's less likely (but not inconceivable of course, maybe coincidence? Same type of injury? Not as probable, but maybe.....)
While lacking any evidence to argue otherwise, I, personally, do not believe in coincidence. There must be some reason for it, that we'll likely never know.
10-31-2022, 01:57 AM( This post was last modified: 10-31-2022, 02:13 AM by Tr1x24 )
(10-31-2022, 12:45 AM)Cath2020 Wrote: I don't think Ubuso is necessarily from a different pride as it's not been proven 100%. Yes, he looks different than the others, but he could be the son of an unrelated male in a coalition
Ubuso is 100% percent from different pride and not sired by same males, there is evidence, posted here before.
That is photo of him as sub male, who was part of a pride near s79 in 2016, thats ~ 30 km from where Nwaswitshaka pride territory was, at that time, rest of Ndhzengas where small cubs.
Another evidence, previous photos of young Ndhzengas in Sabi Sands from late 2017, and 2018, as subadults, with their mother and sister, no photos of Ubuso with them.
Ubuso broke his foot at some point, and it healed that way (similar to DM injury, although his its not twisted), that is definitely not genetics (young Torchwood sub male now has similar injury, even worse).
(10-31-2022, 12:45 AM)Cath2020 Wrote: I don't think Ubuso is necessarily from a different pride as it's not been proven 100%. Yes, he looks different than the others, but he could be the son of an unrelated male in a coalition
Ubuso is 100% percent from different pride and not sired by same males, there is evidence, posted here before.
That is photo of him as sub male, who was part of a pride near s79 in 2016, thats ~ 30 km from where Nwaswitshaka pride territory was, at that time, rest of Ndhzengas where small cubs.
Another evidence, previous photos of young Ndhzengas in Sabi Sands from late 2017, and 2018, as subadults, with their mother and sister, no photos of Ubuso with them.
Ubuso broke his foot at some point, and it healed that way (similar to DM injury, although his its not twisted), that is definitely not genetics (young Torchwood sub male now has similar injury, even worse).
Some people claim Ubuso also has the same fathers as old LubyeLubye and perhaps Matshapiri males. They were all sired by old Nkuhlus. Any evidence on that?
(10-31-2022, 12:45 AM)Cath2020 Wrote: I don't think Ubuso is necessarily from a different pride as it's not been proven 100%. Yes, he looks different than the others, but he could be the son of an unrelated male in a coalition
Ubuso is 100% percent from different pride and not sired by same males, there is evidence, posted here before.
That is photo of him as sub male, who was part of a pride near s79 in 2016, thats ~ 30 km from where Nwaswitshaka pride territory was, at that time, rest of Ndhzengas where small cubs.
Another evidence, previous photos of young Ndhzengas in Sabi Sands from late 2017, and 2018, as subadults, with their mother and sister, no photos of Ubuso with them.
Ubuso broke his foot at some point, and it healed that way (similar to DM injury, although his its not twisted), that is definitely not genetics (young Torchwood sub male now has similar injury, even worse).
Some people claim Ubuso also has the same fathers as old LubyeLubye and perhaps Matshapiri males. They were all sired by old Nkuhlus. Any evidence on that?
Unfortunately, there isn't any proof of Ubuso being fathered by the old Nkuhlu males, same goes to the Matshapiri males as far I know, their fathers are still unknown till today.
