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Functional strength in the terms you're suggesting is good core strength for some, hip movement for others, grip strength or technique. None of the athletes you've mentioned can claim to not have been overpowered in their careers (outside of ngganou who hasn't been tested in that respect.) And all of the athletes you've mentioned have built up their strength through many years of strength training, none of it is born to them.
Next is your interpretation, "it is much harder to lift a 300-pound sandbag with uneven distribution than a perfectly distributed 300-pound barbell of the ground. " Comparing a sand bag lift to a deadlift is the same as comparing a bench press to a farmers walk. They are completely different lifts and require completely different movements, you're better off comparing a clean/front squat to a sand bag lift and even then, they are still very different. But there are plenty of guys who are gym strong who if taught the technique to a sand bag lift "legs on both sides of the bag, squat low, grip over-under then squat the bag and stand" could do it easily. Could they also do a 300lb clean easily, I highly doubt it. But either way, sand bag lift is much more anterior while a Deadlift is posterior chain. A wrestler is strong, very strong when it comes to core and grip, can they squat a lot, bench a lot, dead lift a lot? It depends, none of them are going to walk into a gym and never lift then try to compete with people who do lift, can they ragdoll stronger people than themselves in the fields I mentioned above? The answer is, Absolutely! But that once again isn't strength, that's technique. Strength factors in, a good wrestler who is also incredibly strong will have an advantage over a good wrestler, but a wrestler who is strong isn't more or less strong than a non wrestler who is also strong. Simple as that. Because one trains in areas that require unconventional lifts doesn't mean that they are any stronger than someone who strictly trains in a gym. I have seen it time and again, I have trained with all, whether MMA or strength training, strong is strong. 
http://www.nytimes.com/1995/05/31/sports...-gold.html
LOCKHART, Tex.— The world's strongest man was in the mood for barbecue, and in central Texas, this means barbecue at Kreuz Market, open since 1900 and completely lacking in gastronomic pretense. Kreuz's offers no sauce, no beans, no potato salad, no plates and no chance to walk away with the steak knives because they are chained to the tables. The lime-green walls are bare, save for the mounted body of an 11 1/2-pound bass and the hide of a 6 1/2-foot rattlesnake. This is a place to eat, not to see and be seen. Squares of paper come loaded with ropes of link sausage, mounds of prime rib and brisket and thick pork chops stacked like pancakes, all smoked in brick pits fueled by post-oak logs. Tomatoes and avocados are available, but Mark Henry declined. The frivolity of vegetables is not how a man grows to 6 feet 3 inches, 400 pounds by his 23d year. Tomatoes and avocados do not provide enough octane for the gas tank of an Olympic weight lifter in the superheavyweight class, one who bench-pressed 525 pounds and squatted 937 pounds in high school, who can dead-lift a national-record 850 pounds, who snatches 391 pounds and cleans and jerks another 475. Vegetables did not provide the strength for this five-lift total that no one can match. A meatless diet did not provide Henry's bank-vault physique, did not cantilever his chest to 62 inches, or expand his waist to 48 inches, or hew his 23-inch biceps and calves, his 24-inch neck and 38-inch thighs. Henry waved off the vegetables, and picked up a pork chop in hands so massive that he cannot find a pair of gloves that will fit them. "I'm from a family of carnivores," he said. Where Henry's immense bulk might be intimidating or forbidding, instead it is inviting. He is open, friendly, a man who luxuriates in his formidable heft. He trains in a T-shirt that says "West Virginia gymnastics," although he is the size of five Mary Lou Rettons. He calls Nate (the Kitchen) Newton, the Dallas Cowboys' 325-pound guard, a "little guy." He gives a curdling scream when he enters a locker room at the University of Texas, just to watch the muscle boys scatter. And when he finds another car parked too close to his own, Henry simply nudges it over, as if the offending vehicle were furniture to be rearranged. He is bringing personality back to a sport tarnished by doping scandals, and eventually, if Henry develops the technique to match his strength in the snatch and in the clean and jerk, he could become the first American superheavyweight to win an Olympic gold medal since Paul Anderson in 1956. There were six in Henry's party at Kreuz's one day earlier this month, including his mother, Barbara Mass; his aunt, Amy Chaney, and his coach and manager, Terry Todd, a professor of kinesiology at the University of Texas at Austin, where Henry lives and trains. Four pounds of prime rib, three pounds of pork chops and five pounds of link sausage disappeared quickly, but Henry is not a gargantuan eater. Not the way people assume. Some of his weight-lifting friends can go to those all-you-can eat places and devour 70 ounces of steak. Henry said he once ate 50 ounces but had to stop because "my face got tired." His 25-year-old brother, Patrick, tips the scales at 6-2, 285, and excelled on the defensive line at Texas A&M. The brothers were born in Silsbee, in the piney woods of east Texas, but they were not as imposing as their uncles in a family of enormous strength. Chudd Adams stood 6-5, 420, and DeWitt Adams reached 6-7, though he was a bit on the thin side at 320. "You should have seen Uncle Chudd," Henry said last March at the Pan American Games in Argentina. "He picked me up when I was a boy, and I cried. He was just so damn big." The surprising thing about Henry is his agility. He does not have, as his coach said, that "constipated crab" look of bodybuilders who are sometimes so awkwardly bulky that they appear to be rusted and in need of oil. Henry is fluid, graceful. He can explode off his 16 EEE feet, lift his 400-pound bulk to a rim 10 feet above the ground and dunk a basketball. But there are many questions to be answered before he can be considered a serious medal contender in the 1996 Atlanta Summer Olympics. Those around him say Henry must first define his ambitions. Does he want to win a gold medal? Or does he want an acting career? Will he flirt with professional football? Will he gravitate toward strongman exhibitions? He thinks he could draw a crowd by lifting a table laden with 10 or 15 kids, or tossing beer kegs like Frisbees, or lifting cars by the bumper as he once did to his aunt's Pinto, leaving two wheels spinning in the air as she tried to drive home. At the 1992 Barcelona Olympics, where Henry finished 10th, he was the largest weight lifter in Olympic history at 365 pounds. Now he is 35 pounds heavier. The strength is there. Now it's a matter of refining the technique of sliding his body under the bar in the Olympic disciplines. The world records of 451.75 pounds in the snatch and 558.75 in the clean and jerk are about 61 and 84 pounds more than Henry's best efforts.
The old thinking that animal protein is the only way to get big and strong has been proven wrong, like with many old theories, new studies and examples destroy old adages.
Vegan strength athletes: Patrik is a former bodybuilder who has also been Germany's Strongest Man (105kg), European powerlifting champion and holds world strength records ... Superheavyweight powerlifter Alison Crowdus has quickly become a leading lifter in the US, qualifying for the XPC finals at the Arnold Sports Festival. Her impressive equipped total is one she fully expects to improve on and she is also starting to compete in strongman, winning her first competition. She has state records for Ohio, and her Bench Press of 500 lbs (227 kg) has been recognised as the 12th biggest of all time. She also has a personal squat best of 236kg and a dealift of 206 kg. Ali was a finalist in Great Vegan Athlete of the Year 2017. Bill McCarthy is a international powerlifting competitor and strength coach. Weighing in at 110kg, his personal bests are 177kg bench press, 275kg squat and 286kg deadlift. He has competed at the Arnold Sports Festival three times and runs a powerlifting team. and many more: http://www.greatveganathletes.com/all-strength-sports and as elite as you get: KENDRICK FARRIS IS Team USA’s only male weightlifter at the Rio Olympics. With a combined personal best of 377kg in the snatch and the clean and jerk, the 29-year-old Louisiana native also holds the 94kg American record. So when we reported that Farris follows a vegan diet, it was met with some surprise. After all, a vegan diet is unusual enough among elite athletes—and that’s especially the case for weightlifters, who need lots of protein to stack on lean muscle and heft such huge weights. No way, said the comments on our initial story about Farris' diet. How can he do that? So we asked him. https://www.mensfitness.com/nutrition/what-to-eat/vegan-diet-american-olympic-weightlifter-kendrick-farris While I fluctuate between being vegan and not (it's very hard for me to be strict,) I notice a massive difference in my digestive performance and a much healthier feeling overall. But that being said, it's very hard to be vegan all the time unless you cook, but mixing it in a few days a week still has a terrific effect if one is to try it. 
Losing weight this semester, but it is also hard for me to remain at a vegan diet (because I primarily like red meat so much in the first place), but I am incorporating many more vegetable sources (greater abundance of collard green-types and green beans) into my diet this semester and so far it is serving me very well! Although, for most of my protein, I will rely on whey isolate shakes and meat instead of legumes and spinach.
(01-18-2018, 01:06 AM)Polar Wrote: Losing weight this semester, but it is also hard for me to remain at a vegan diet (because I primarily like red meat so much in the first place), but I am incorporating many more vegetable sources (greater abundance of collard green-types and green beans) into my diet this semester and so far it is serving me very well! Although, for most of my protein, I will rely on whey isolate shakes and meat instead of legumes and spinach. Vegan diet is very high calorie(carbohydrate) so you'll need to monitor that and figure out your best balance.
Looks like Ngannou's muscle mass completely hindered his endurance and performance: fought like a drunk in the last 4 rounds. Stipe's an absolute champion!
Stipe fought exactly how he was supposed to, he pressured Ngannou throughout and his head movement was beautiful. He is a grinder, he'll make you earn victory against him, there will be no easy fights.
In regards to Ngannou, this will be a great learning experience for him. He needs to clean up his boxing a bit, he'll need to learn how to feel out when to throw power punches and tighten up his technique so he doesn't miss so heavy and wild which causes him to waste too much energy. Overall, it was a good fight and both will be tangling again at some point I'm sure.
The Miocic/Francis fight made me realize something similar to human/some animal confrontations: animals have all the advantages in the world, but mostly for the first 5-10 minutes, but their advantages mean much less after time because of human's superior endurance to most animals. Ngannou has all the immediate advantages (strength, dynamite KO power, weight and good reach, general explosiveness), but Miocic has all the advantages to take the distance (more hand speed, swifter, much more endurance, and more experience), but obviously humans don't have experience fighting animals or we'd all be dead. After time, Ngannou's advantages become minimum and eventually become nothing because of all the disadvantages the advantages come with.
Most humans end up like Overeem ended (by getting killed in very short fashion), but maybe with some small animals, we can end up like Miocic winning in the long run. Just another way to think about an encounter between a human and beast. (01-23-2018, 09:52 PM)Polar Wrote: The Miocic/Francis fight made me realize something similar to human/some animal confrontations: animals have all the advantages in the world, but mostly for the first 5-10 minutes, but their advantages mean much less after time because of human's superior endurance to most animals. Ngannou has all the immediate advantages (strength, dynamite KO power, weight and good reach, general explosiveness), but Miocic has all the advantages to take the distance (more hand speed, swifter, much more endurance, and more experience), but obviously humans don't have experience fighting animals or we'd all be dead. After time, Ngannou's advantages become minimum and eventually become nothing because of all the disadvantages the advantages come with. Remember the most important advantage... Wrestling! It's most important aspect to any fight, BJJ is right up there as well but until one is a master in wrestling they will never be able to reach the top tier of MMA, whether its takedowns, takedown defense, ground control or cage control, wrestling is the first thing any fighter should practice and get well versed in, it doesn't matter how good of a striker you are, until you can stop the takedown, your skills will be negated. (01-23-2018, 10:05 PM)Pckts Wrote:(01-23-2018, 09:52 PM)Polar Wrote: The Miocic/Francis fight made me realize something similar to human/some animal confrontations: animals have all the advantages in the world, but mostly for the first 5-10 minutes, but their advantages mean much less after time because of human's superior endurance to most animals. Ngannou has all the immediate advantages (strength, dynamite KO power, weight and good reach, general explosiveness), but Miocic has all the advantages to take the distance (more hand speed, swifter, much more endurance, and more experience), but obviously humans don't have experience fighting animals or we'd all be dead. After time, Ngannou's advantages become minimum and eventually become nothing because of all the disadvantages the advantages come with. Another most important advantage is keeping the distance, which is what Miocic did in the first round. (01-23-2018, 10:14 PM)Polar Wrote:(01-23-2018, 10:05 PM)Pckts Wrote:(01-23-2018, 09:52 PM)Polar Wrote: The Miocic/Francis fight made me realize something similar to human/some animal confrontations: animals have all the advantages in the world, but mostly for the first 5-10 minutes, but their advantages mean much less after time because of human's superior endurance to most animals. Ngannou has all the immediate advantages (strength, dynamite KO power, weight and good reach, general explosiveness), but Miocic has all the advantages to take the distance (more hand speed, swifter, much more endurance, and more experience), but obviously humans don't have experience fighting animals or we'd all be dead. After time, Ngannou's advantages become minimum and eventually become nothing because of all the disadvantages the advantages come with. Distance is Ngannou's ally, with his long reach and fear of the takedown, keeping the distance would of benefited Francis, Miocic used phenomenal head movement in the first to avoid big shots and then he closed the distance and shot in which forced Ngannou to defend, Miocic had 3-4 unsuccessful TD Attempts in the 1st before he finally got him down but they paid dividends. He forced Ngannou to think about the shot and can't rely strictly on being a striker and most importantly, he wears himself out defending them, whether they are successful or not isn't the point, they force Ngannou to use valuable energy. 
Miocic fight was pretty intense, DC vs Volkan was also an amazing fight. personally not a fan of heavyweight division, im waiting for Ferguson vs Khabib to go down. I think Khabib will take it, i would have much rather preferred to see Conor vs Khabib but i doubt Conor would even bother considering his last paycheque and its obvious that he wouldnt want to get in the ring with these two. Conor has poor ground game, beating old Alvarez and Aldo isnt really the most promising achievement. I was a huge Conor fan but i just dont see him beating Khabib or Ferguson. hopefully Dana white goes ahead and strips him from his titles. there is no excuse for holding two belts when you havent defended it in nearly 2 years. that's ruining the sport.
(01-23-2018, 11:25 PM)Roflcopters Wrote: Miocic fight was pretty intense, DC vs Volkan was also an amazing fight. personally not a fan of heavyweight division, im waiting for Ferguson vs Khabib to go down. I think Khabib will take it, i would have much rather preferred to see Conor vs Khabib but i doubt Conor would even bother considering his last paycheque and its obvious that he wouldnt want to get in the ring with these two. Conor has poor ground game, beating old Alvarez and Aldo isnt really the most promising achievement. I was a huge Conor fan but i just dont see him beating Khabib or Ferguson. hopefully Dana white goes ahead and strips him from his titles. there is no excuse for holding two belts when you havent defended it in nearly 2 years. that's ruining the sport. Completely agree with you. Although Conor is very skilled, I think Khabib's and Ferguson's ground-and-pound and TD game will eliminate Conor just like Nate did. Barboza's explosiveness might also be a problem for him too. I think it will be Khabib (Tiramisu) Time in the lightweight division in the UFC.
Khabib is my pick as well of the 3 but I definitely think Conor is the most dangerous threat to him, I've never been much of a believer in Ferguson. Ferguson is tough, unorthodox and smart but he leaves many holes to exploit while Khabib just smothers you with his relentless pressure. He's exactly like Cain Valesquez but in a much faster body, Khabib stands a little to upright when he strikes which McGregor "could" exploit but I wouldn't pick Conor over Khabib.
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