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Human Strength - Polar - 05-27-2016
Humans, during a extreme surge of adrenaline, can do things that seem almost out of this world. All primates/suids also have this ability of trancing themselves in this accelerated state by providing adrenaline to their muscles in order to access total neuro-muscular efficiency.
The statement that we don't use 100% of our muscles is 100% false. The fact is, adrenaline increases our neuro-muscular efficiency, allowing us to strike faster, albeit with equal efficiency and precision; allowing increased brute strength, stamina, and explosive power; and allowing increased mental/spatial awareness.
However, many people die of adrenaline rushes because that amount of adrenaline can allow the muscle cells within the muscle to corrupt and misform. An adrenaline rush has been known tp cause several stokes, cardiac arrests, and even Parkinson's in one case.
A 100-pound woman can become just as strong as 280-pound professional wrestler Aleksandr Karelin when both are within an adrenaline surge. This is the beauty of an adrenaline-filled primate; a small female can be just as strong as the alpha male of the group under this circumstance. However, the less muscle one has, the more adrenaline that has to be provided to maximize the body's performance, thus a greater risk of the negative side-effects associated with an adrenaline rush. Basically, a person with more muscle will release less adrenaline because of his/her greater natural muscle mass.
Now, regarding adrenaline-rushed humans fending off animals, yeah, some humans have fought off lions, leopards, wolves, etc... but have almost never killed them off without the use of weapons, only merely intimidated them. Despite faked accounts of humans killing wild animals bare-handed, there are taped and well-recorded accounts and events of humans killing police dogs/domestic dogs/very small wild animals.
What do you all think?
RE: Human Strength - Pckts - 05-27-2016
There are well documented reports of humans killing animals with their bare hands, quite impressive actually.
In regards to adrenaline, there is no way way a 100lb women will ever be as strong as a 280lb wrestler.
Multiple examples can be used to prove this.
Put the 100 lb women on a squat rack against the wrestler and no matter her adrenaline surge she will not be able to squat anywhere near his weight.
Another reason is because of your joints, tendons and bones. Your body isn't meant to gain extreme strength quickly, it takes years to get stronger. It isn't just about growing your muscles, it's about having your joints and tendons getting strong enough to sustain movement at the increased weight capacity.
This is why you'll see a lot of steroid users get injured. They increase their workload quicker than the rest of their body is prepared for.
What addrenile really does imo is this...
It's an emotional numbing agent. It will create a courageous person out of a coward. It will also numb you to injury, reason being... So you can defend or escape while being injured, as soon as the addrenile wears off.... You're safely out of danger, you'll feel the pain rush on.
If you talk to any good fighter they will tell you the same thing.... It's about being under control.
Keeping your wits about you, seeing patterns and exploiting them. Fighting is a chess match, you need to be able to find openIngs and exploit them, in 1 move or multiple. The same can be said in life, no matter what you do you must keep your wits about you, stay calm and use your head to solve the problem.
So all and all, I would suggest to any person that maintaining a calm head and keeping your addreniline under control is the best course of action unless, you need it to push through injury or motivate you to do something that you never would of thought possible.
RE: Human Strength - Polar - 05-28-2016
@Pckts,
I bet you most of these accounts of "humans killing wild animals" are completely faked. Ever hear of "spoof news"? Don't believe in every news article in the internet (even those that are reported by multiple news outlets); most of those are garnered to get more attention, thus more popularity to the news-site that posted the article.
The one with the 9-year old choking the pitbull out? Not well documented at all, just like the plaque where a man apparently "ripped out a grizzly bear's jugular vein and killed it by repeatedly bashing its head with a stick," what a sack of bull****.
The one where an Indian female farmer killed an attacking leopard with her bare hands? Where is the picture of the dead leopard? There surely is a picture of her on the hospital bed after the leopard either "ran away in fear of confrontation" or "got shot later."
How about the one where a woman "ran out and punched a bear in the face" for attacking her pet dog? Really?
And what about the one where a woman so-called "wrestled a polar bear down to save her children," some articles described her repeatedly kicking the polar bear, one even described her fighting with assistance towards the bear. Kicking to scare off a polar bear is obviously not the same thing as actually subduing and wrestling the polar bear down (which is definitely impossible for any human.)
Here is some advice to you, Pckts. Man always looks for himself to be superior, even superior to the wilderness and all its strengths/animals. Man wants to be viewed as number one, regardless of circumstance, thus he will come up with every lie in the book like "wrestling a bear down and choking it to death" when in reality, he scared the bear away by surprising the bear with retaliation.
Newspapers always have the ability to fool the mass into believing their ideas. Don't be one of the mass-affected people, Pckts.
RE: Human Strength - Polar - 05-28-2016
Also @Pckts,
I definitely, definitely agree with you on the premise of adrenaline-filled humans (and primates/suids) being able to scare/intimidate animals much greater than their size.
I personally know a few hunter-friends of mine back in the Canadian tundra that scared away hungry mountain lions. One friend named Victor, a skinny, endurance-type 5'4", 145-pound fit dude, managed to scare away a 500-pound brown bear from his bowing supplies by running up to it and shouting at it, but that only ends there.
One time, while Victor, Tyler (a huge fat outdoors man and a great woodcutter) and I were on an excursion to the Rockies (the American ones, not the Canadian ones, mind you), talking about the aforementioned confrontation between the bear and Victor.
I asked Victor whether he could kill that bear with his bare hands (no pun intended), and he replied with these exact words: "F**k no! Hell, even if given all the drugs and testosterone in the world, neither me or my buds Tyler or Norman would even come close to defeating a female one. We'd be screwed in the ass like a lightbulb in its socket!" Of course, us three laughed at Victor's remark, yet at the same time, we realized the truthfulness of his statement. Good times.
I will post more about the 100-pound woman/280-pound wrestler later, but now I have to go to work.
RE: Human Strength - Pckts - 05-28-2016
Just because you don't believe accounts doesn't make them false. Your skeptism is allowed but not agreed on.
if you think that humans are unable to fight off animals of similar size, i cannot agree. This isn't a rare occurrence, this has happened time and time again throughout history. Are some fabricated, probably. Are all? Not a chance.
My good friend kick a German Shepard that was attacking his cat, the Shepard turned on him and he had no problem fighting it off. He took a bite on his hand, has a scar to show for it, but still was able to send it packing. He is a fighter and hunter, obviously knows how to handle himself but doesn't change what he did.
RE: Human Strength - Polar - 05-31-2016
Examples of the biggest, strongest humans (without adrenaline rush, of course) IMO:
-Mark Henry
-Big Z
-Brian Shaw
-Magnus Samuelsson
-James Henderson
-Jim Williams
-Bill Kazmaier
-Mariusz Pudzianowski
-Benedikt Magnusson
-"The Mountain"
-Louis Cyr
-Angus MacAskill
The smallest, pound-for-pound strongest IMO:
-Lamar Gant
-Joe Greenstein
-Ed Coan
-Gene Bell
-Joe Morrow
RE: Human Strength - brotherbear - 06-01-2016
No longer with us - Paul Anderson and Andre the Giant. Andre, although he never worked out was stronger than any professional wrestler of his era.
http://superstrengthtraining.com/paul-anderson
RE: Human Strength - brotherbear - 06-01-2016
Against a dog or a wolf, a man in good condition and with a good head on his shoulders has a chance. Dogs are simply not the best of grapplers. But, against a mature jaguar or bigger cat or a mature male black bear ( American or Asian ) or bigger bear, or a bull gorilla... the man can kiss it goodbye.
RE: Human Strength - Polar - 06-01-2016
(06-01-2016, 01:32 AM)brotherbear Wrote: Against a dog or a wolf, a man in good condition and with a good head on his shoulders has a chance. Dogs are simply not the best of grapplers. But, against a mature jaguar or bigger cat or a mature male black bear ( American or Asian ) or bigger bear, or a bull gorilla... the man can kiss it goodbye.
While I don't agree with an adult wolf, a very fit, heavy and trained man can take on most dog breeds, some other domesticated animals, and subadult/juvenile wolves. After some debating for a while, I decided that a guy like Pckts or I can do this since we are both strong, fit, and can be calm within fights. But against any primate, feline, ursine, and large wild canine greater than 40-kilos, no chance (not even Lesnar can compare, and would you really want to fight that 80-kilogram bear in a study that I posted on the "Bear Strength" thread?)
Wild animals usually have remarkable fighting abilities, durability, and physcial abilities unlike that of any human or most domesticated animals.
RE: Human Strength - Polar - 06-01-2016
(06-01-2016, 01:26 AM)brotherbear Wrote: No longer with us - Paul Anderson and Andre the Giant. Andre, although he never worked out was stronger than any professional wrestler of his era.
http://superstrengthtraining.com/paul-anderson
I do remember Paul Anderson (his 1000-pound raw squat, though) and his backlift was quite impressive; a little more than 6000 pounds!
I am not sure about Andre, though, Hulk Hogan was incredibly strong as heck as well.
Three ancient strongman which I think should definitely be mentioned are Louis Cyr, Angus MacAskill, and Joe Greenstein (do more research on them.)
Louis Cyr (5'10" and 350-400 pounds): 4400-pound horse backlift, 553-pound one finger deadlift, a supposed 1500-pound deadlift, a 1660-pound squat with a farm bull, and a 1100-pound boulder lifted upon his waist-level.
Angus MacAskill (7'9" and 420-500 pounds): picked up a 110-pound weight with only two fingers and held the weight at arms length for ten minutes straight, easily flung a 600-pound ship anchor over his shoulder, single-handedly tilted a ton-weighed boat, and (probably) lifted a 1000-pound horse over a 4-foot fence without much struggle.
Joe Greenstein (5'4" and 190 pounds): drove 20 penny nails through a 2.5 inch board with only his bare hands, flipped over a car weighing 1.5 tons, bending a 1.2 inch iron bar with straight arms, and biting through a nail with his teeth.
What is amazing is that these old-time strongmen, without any supplements or drugs, were still able to somehow train themselves to be much better than some of today's strongmen in some aspects!
Yet these recorded feats still do not even arrive close to some of the feats of wild animals.
RE: Human Strength - brotherbear - 06-01-2016
On the day when Andre was suppose to lose to Hulk Hogan, and the giant was in the worst condition of his carrier ( he knew his life was soon to be over ), Hulk Hogan was really concerned that Andre might not let him win. Now, I do realize that WWE wrestling is fake; but shit happens. Hulk Hogan was not the only wrestler in interviews that claimed that ( in real life ) no other wrestler stood a chance against the giant and no wrestler was as strong. Andre bragged that, "and I don't even work out."
RE: Human Strength - Polar - 06-01-2016
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I see. Yeah, Andre never worked out, that is true. But Hulk benched 600 pounds at his prime and squatted 785 pounds as well. Andre, while not a good bencher or squatter because of his long and gigantic proportions, lifted a one-ton weight several inches off the ground and had reportedly flipped a car in anger because of a bar brawl.
So it is a flip-flop. But I think Andre's strength is more applicable to real-life: think "old man's strength." Hulk's strength is more applicable to the methods used in powerlifting.
RE: Human Strength - Polar - 06-01-2016
Now imagine if a 150-pound bear could somehow manage to do well in the WWE or the UFC. The bear would own anyone, and that would be a funny sight.
RE: Human Strength - brotherbear - 06-01-2016
I seldom watch wrestling anymore; once in a while. I cannot understand why Mark Henry is always being set-up to lose. How many could "really" defeat him?
RE: Human Strength - Pckts - 06-01-2016
According to Brock Lesner, Kane was the strongest man he had ever seen in the WWF, not including football obviously but he said Kane was as strong as anybody he had seen.
Very impressive coming from Brock Lesner.
But IMO there is no stronger human alive today than the Mountain
Ronnie Coleman is another beast
In regards to fighting, these men are not fit to fight, they are strong, yes but fighting is much more than strength....
It's cardio, technique, toughness, mentally and physically. Just check out Mariusz Pudzianowski vs Tim Sylvia or Shane Carwin vs JDS, Brock vs Cain etc.
Here you can see a man fighting off a cougar
Don't sleep on human beings, we obviously are not going to be able to survive an attack by a determined Bear or big cat of equal weight but give us a few pounds and the will to survive and we can do amazing things.