| Poll: In your opinion, how much maximum weight can a human lift during an adrenaline rush? This poll is closed. |
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| One whopping ton (2000 pounds.) | 1 | 25.00% | |
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I agree. They really made Mark Henry, the "World's Strongest Man" (really the winner of the Arnold Classic Strongman in 2002, not the same as WSM) the "World's Strongest Fail" in his WWE days. I always wonder, in a real fight/wrestling match, who can really stop him? Andre/Hulk/Big Show? Sure, a 50/50. Lesnar/Cena/Sheamus? Doubt it. And sometimes when they host those WWE arm-wrestling gigs, I laugh at the thought of the WWE supervisors allowing Sheamus to beat Henry at an arm-wrestling match; the opposite would occur quite instantly if both really tried. 
Lesnar would drop any of those guys so quickly it would make your head spin. There is no substitute for credentialed wrestlers, they are going to destroy any body who isn't a wrestler with in a certain size obviously. Lesnar was a division 1 wrestler and a great one at that, he was a beast.
What movie is that scene with the man and cougar from? Yes, I believe we can drive a cougar away, but what I am trying to say is that we can't kill it with our bare hands even if we are a hulking Brock Lesnar and the cougar is only 130 pounds. That cat in the movie scene was not really trying or it would have kept taking the man down.
Even big non-pantherine cats can be much stronger/powerful than a strongman (remember, 80-kg bear), and can take quite a bit of damage, both static and instantaneous damage. IMO, the most a determined-Brock Lesnar can kill with his bare hands are: -Plenty of MMA fighters/trainers (including me), strongmen/powerlifters, and any human who sucks at fighting or doesn't live and fight within the wilderness. -Almost all breeds of domestic dogs (except a few ovcharkas, large mastiffs, and smaller kangals.) -Pre-adult wolf and any wild canid < 40-kg. -Pre-adult chimpanzees, orangutans/gorillas < 40-kg, and small primates. -Domestic cats and small wild felids. -Any pantherine or big felid < 40-kg. -Any ursid < 40-kg. -A cervid < 50-kg. -And plenty more under the 50-kg mark. (06-01-2016, 10:32 PM)Pckts Wrote: Lesnar would drop any of those guys so quickly it would make your head spin. There is no substitute for credentialed wrestlers, they are going to destroy any body who isn't a wrestler with in a certain size obviously. Lesnar was a division 1 wrestler and a great one at that, he was a beast. Don't overrate Lesnar; he is one of the best wrestlers in the WWE, but IMO, Henry, Andre, Hulk, and Cena would drop Lesnar down more often than not. "The Mountain" in my opinion, is slightly weaker than Henry at his prime, and definitely just as weak or weaker than either Brian Shaw or Big Z.
Karelin was a beast but he is grecco and brock is freestyle, freestyle transfers better to mma IMO, but that would of been a sight to see.
I know brock pinned kurt angle (olympic gold medalist) very quickly according to them when they had real wrestling matches and brock actually fought in MMA so he knows how to take and give a punch.... Not very well I may add but that still is his advantage. I'd bet on brock there. (06-01-2016, 10:48 PM)Polar Wrote:(06-01-2016, 10:32 PM)Pckts Wrote: Lesnar would drop any of those guys so quickly it would make your head spin. There is no substitute for credentialed wrestlers, they are going to destroy any body who isn't a wrestler with in a certain size obviously. Lesnar was a division 1 wrestler and a great one at that, he was a beast. None of those guys know the first thing about wrestling, brock would double leg them so quick it wouldn't be funny. Don't get me wrong, Mark henry is an absolute freak show, but the Mountain is 6'9'' and 400lbs, he's able to use his levers better than henry which is why he's stronger in strongman but henry is probably stronger in olympic lifting obviously. To my knowledge Mark Henry Deadlifts 900lbs while the Mountain dead lifted 990lbs but henry squatted 947lb while the mountain I doubt squats anywhere near that but that has more to do with the fact that the mountain is 10'' taller than henry so he must move the weight much further. But overall strongman events, there are very few people to ever exist that could be compared to the mountain, but I wouldn't do any serious betting between the two. Both are absolute freaks of nature.
Karelin was often noted not to only be "gym strong," but real-life strong as well. He once chest-carried a 600-pound refrigerator upstairs and downstairs his house 3 times in a row, and had often flung his 200-280 pound opponents like lightweights.
Karelin was, from the videos I have seen, an explosive type of guy like Lesnar. But Lesnar is only explosive in terms of foot wook and reflexes. Karelin is explosive in instantaneously flipping his opponents and maneuvering them in ways in which no normal wrestler regardless of wrestling art (Greco-Roman, Sumo, Sambo-BJJ mixed wrestler, etc...) could. He is also noted to be a very fast learner as well. His original wrestling coach noted him performing double-suplexes and full-nelsons with full quality, all within three weeks of training. If both received equal MMA training for two years, and both got themselves into a "fight-to-the-death" type of situation, I believe that Karelin takes this 8/10 times. Lesnar is a tool to gain attention from an audience because of his outward personality and favorable aggressiveness, he is barely calm in most of his fights (a calm mind solves more problems), and he is not as explosive in close-quarters as Karelin is.
I'm not talking about their personalities, I always hated brocks attitude but that doesn't change the fact that the guy was an absolute freak.
He played in the nfl, was a division 1 wrestling champion, UFC heavyweight champion and WWE heavyweight champion, the guy did a shooting star off the top rope aka a forward facing back flip. He was extremely explosive no matter how you slice it, Karelin was a monster as well, he is a freak in every sense of the word. I have rolled against every athlete imaginable, there is no stronger human beings than wrestlers (the real wrestlers) Their base is so strong it's like moving a tank on top of you, I remember training with brandon halsey (olympic lhw alternate and former middleweight champion in bellator) he had by far the strongest base I have ever felt. I also went against Fabricio Werdum numerous times (former ufc heavyweight champ) and he was another with an amazing base, he's the best HW BJJ competitor of all time but he had 40lbs on Halsey and I'd say halsey was still close to his strength.   (06-01-2016, 10:48 PM)Polar Wrote:(06-01-2016, 10:32 PM)Pckts Wrote: Lesnar would drop any of those guys so quickly it would make your head spin. There is no substitute for credentialed wrestlers, they are going to destroy any body who isn't a wrestler with in a certain size obviously. Lesnar was a division 1 wrestler and a great one at that, he was a beast. Trust me Brock lesnar will take down these guys (henry, andre, hulk, cena) very easily. Those guys are not even half the wrestler Brock is. Brock is a good MMA specialist and a UFC Champion. I guess Brock lesnar lost his UFC title to Cain velasquez. Cain is a better MMA fighter than Brock IMO Fedor Vladimirovich Emelianenko is the best of the best. (06-01-2016, 11:32 PM)Pckts Wrote: I'm not talking about their personalities, I always hated brocks attitude but that doesn't change the fact that the guy was an absolute freak. Have you ever went up against an NFL player, NHL player, or professional strongman in a spar or roll before? I have not yet. (But I have met Zydrunas Savickas in one of his strongman competition trips to Las Vegas, again I was not a participant.) For me, wrestlers are just as strong as the average strongman, powerlifter, or NFL player. They all just express their strength in different ways. I agree with you on the premise that a wrestler's base is likely the strongest base out of all the four since the wrestler knows how to stabilize the base without using all of his might, yet the others still have more strength in different aspects. The heaviest guy I went up against in my MMA joint (Winchester Jiu-Jitsu Academy, once known as MMA Institute) was 336 pounds and 7 foot, and he was more on the muscular-looking side with a buffiness to him. People within my gym remarked about his base and how he probably could maintain the strongest wrestling base and close guard (but he was not that great of a grappler). I could move him in an MMA match by initiating a sudden leg takedown/hip bump where I: - Dropped down to a squat, grasped my opponent's leg, and placed it upon my hip. - I than raised up from my squat and "skip-stepped" towards this guy, making him fall with my hands still grabbing the ankle portion of the pants. - I switched the leg hold from the right side (personal point of view) of my body to the left side, and then quickly hip-bumped his leg down so that I could keep his body faced towards the side I hip-bumped him into (the left of me.) - As soon as he raised both of his legs to turn to the other side and face me, I grabbed both of his legs whilst in the midst of his turning and performed the "inside-leg-to-outside leg sweep" (don't know the name to that move), pushed both his legs together to my right, and got access to his hip and clamped him down on his right side with my weight. The 5-minutes ended for that roll, during one of his attempts to get out of my hold. To the Lesnar vs Karelin topic; they are both freaks, indeed. But I am talking about a deathmatch here, not their personal achievements (merely the ones which would best help them in a fight), and with the characteristics of Karelin being quite advantageous, I still give the deathmatch to him. (06-01-2016, 11:40 PM)brotherbear Wrote: How many of those wrestlers could defeat Bruce Lee in the ring? These guys were professional fighters, not merely fighters who acted. Lesnar, Karelin, Tyson, Fedor, and some other unmentioned MMA fighters should take Lee down more often than not. Lee was also a very explosive guy, but Lesnar was near-explosive as Lee at a much higher weight, so that is dangerous. (06-01-2016, 11:58 PM)Apollo Wrote:(06-01-2016, 10:48 PM)Polar Wrote:(06-01-2016, 10:32 PM)Pckts Wrote: Lesnar would drop any of those guys so quickly it would make your head spin. There is no substitute for credentialed wrestlers, they are going to destroy any body who isn't a wrestler with in a certain size obviously. Lesnar was a division 1 wrestler and a great one at that, he was a beast. In a deathmatch: Brock vs Cena? 50/50, no preferences. (I re-thought about this one, and gave Brock some gratitude.) Brock vs Henry? Henry gets this 5.5/10, for his strength and skill (which is vastly underrated.) Brock vs Hulk? Hulk wins 7/10 times; he was just as explosive. Brock vs Andre? Andre is just too strong, and even slow, he still has the base and durability to repel a few Brocks at once. His anger and size will scare Brock to death. Andre 9.5/10. Even if Brock did manage to take these guys down within the rare times that he'd be able to, it wouldn't be "very easily" as you'd think. At least, not within one minute of the beginning.
A "death match" is only going to help brock. Wrestling controls the body of your opponent, hence being able to manhandle them. Brock knows submissions so applying any type of choke will easily kill anybody on that list. The only reason a guillotine, rear naked choke, triangle choke, head and arm etc. don't kill people is because the ref stops it. All you have to do is hang on to the choke longer and the person is dead, whatever puts you to sleep will also kill you.
Any of the guys you named are absolutely NO MATCH for brock. They don't know the first thing about defending a take down, stopping a submission or even how to apply them. This isn't new news, just watch the first UFC, little Royce gracie putting 300 and 400lb men to sleep, making them tap out and destroying all of these "unbeatable behemoths" Watch Vitor Belfort run through guys like Tank Abbot (who could easily bench 600lbs and was an accomplished stand up fighter) You will learn this lesson once you start training, there is no substitute for years and years of practice against the best in the world. Brock is a killer, he will run through any guy you named or any guy in the WWE today. He has trained his entire life to wrestle and fight against the best people in the world, No one boasts even close to those credentials in the WWE. Kurt Angle was the only comparable accomplished wrestler, Ken Shamrock and Dan Severn fought in the ufc and wwf (both would get annihilated by brock) Mark Henry, Hulk Hogan, Andre the giant, Cena, Rock, Undertaker, Kane, Seamus or any other WWE superstar wouldn't be able to have a prayer against such an accomplished beast like brock. |
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