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Talamati/Msutlu Pride

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(11-29-2024, 04:04 AM)Ttimemarti Wrote:
(11-29-2024, 01:50 AM)Guillermo94 Wrote:
(11-28-2024, 10:15 PM)Ttimemarti Wrote:
(11-18-2024, 06:04 PM)KM600 Wrote: Just had a thought and I think it's best placed in here for now, given the two examples that I'm going to use. As I'm pretty sure most of us are aware that the chance significantly increases for there to be something wrong with a baby, whatever that may be, when women give birth late 30s compared to when they are younger. The exact scientific reasoning for this, I can't specify but was wondering if this could happen in lions too. Take Dzwihala and Khanya for example, if Khanya was confirmed to be sired from one of the matriarchs of Talamati Pride, well past her best years, compared to Dzwihala being sired by a much younger female, maybe this could be a reason why they turned out quite different. Ofcourse nothing is wrong with Khanya, he just lacks that robust size Dzwihala had. Perhaps there is something to this theory tho, would Khanya have become a bigger male if he was too sired by a younger female, with a better developed mane at this stage of his life or would it make little to no difference at all. Obviously a lot of that can come down to genetics too.

I think the best way to prove this theory would be by comparing litters of the same mothers with quite an age difference between them, which is both impossible, as it's not like we can just stack them next to each other to see the difference, and still wouldn't be 100% telling in how true it may be. Anyways, just a thought.
Honestly I think it was just that he was older and khanya had a few health issues when he went nomadic with his brother he would get beat up a lot and I thought he had TB at one point but I think he just wasn’t getting as much food at the time plus he was younger

I always thought why young talamtie male lion went on his own. I always wonder why some male lions leave on their own. young talamtie male lion was with Mohawk and young nukuuma male lions; would. I thought he might of stayed he may have been with Mohawk and Nukhuma male lions. Young talamatie male lion would leave even older Talamatie male lion. I always thought older Talamatie male lion was closer to talamatie lionesses.
Yeah it would’ve been really cool if he would’ve stayed with the nkuhumas but just off memory the bigger talamati male went nomadic first and the smaller brother went nomadic after but as for who was closer to the lionesses I have no idea but khanya doesn’t have any sisters (littermates) The bigger boy who disappeared he did have siblings

Yes older Talamatie male lions always seem closer to sisters.
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Some of the older Msuthlu Cubs at play


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Msutlu Pride and dark mane Gijima near bush lodge

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Caption says they are spending a lot of time apart, visiting their prides, but have to stick together if they want to keep the younger males pressuring them out.
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(12-06-2024, 07:26 PM)Fenix123 Wrote: Msutlu Pride and dark mane Gijima near bush lodge

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Such an unique face , the same with his brother, and by the seems of it thats cub/sub has the same face
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Msutlu Pride and Gijima males 

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The entire Msutlu Pride and Dark Mane Gijima were found resting

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(12-21-2024, 07:46 PM)criollo2mil Wrote: Out w Daddy 1


Fixed it for you, my friend. Awesome clip!
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(12-21-2024, 07:46 PM)criollo2mil Wrote: Out w Daddy 1


So proud of them lionesses, their future was always uncertain even while Dark Mane was still alive and they were travelling all over with their brothers, seen interacting and running from pretty much every dominant coalition. S8’s Talamati Pride were looking much better off atp. Cut forward a year and some months, and now they have a stable territory with cubs and couldn’t have picked better fathers. Aside from the supposed litter from one of the lionesses straight after entering Southern Sabi Sands, they haven’t lost a single cub, long may that continue.
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(12-21-2024, 09:22 PM)KM600 Wrote:
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So proud of them lionesses, their future was always uncertain even while Dark Mane was still alive and they were travelling all over with their brothers, seen interacting and running from pretty much every dominant coalition. S8’s Talamati Pride were looking much better off atp. Cut forward a year and some months, and now they have a stable territory with cubs and couldn’t have picked better fathers. Aside from the supposed litter from one of the lionesses straight after entering Southern Sabi Sands, they haven’t lost a single cub, long may that continue.


Yes, they have lost a cub.  There was an altercation with the Southern Pride and one cub was killed, and the mother was slightly injured.  I think it was one of the cubs in the youngest litter.
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(10 hours ago)Cath2020 Wrote:
(12-21-2024, 09:22 PM)KM600 Wrote:
(12-21-2024, 07:46 PM)criollo2mil Wrote: Out w Daddy 1


So proud of them lionesses, their future was always uncertain even while Dark Mane was still alive and they were travelling all over with their brothers, seen interacting and running from pretty much every dominant coalition. S8’s Talamati Pride were looking much better off atp. Cut forward a year and some months, and now they have a stable territory with cubs and couldn’t have picked better fathers. Aside from the supposed litter from one of the lionesses straight after entering Southern Sabi Sands, they haven’t lost a single cub, long may that continue.


Yes, they have lost a cub.  There was an altercation with the Southern Pride and one cub was killed, and the mother was slightly injured.  I think it was one of the cubs in the youngest litter.

Interesting, I think I had heard of the Msutlu females killing a cub from Southern Pride at one point, but never themselves losing a cub.
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(10 hours ago)KM600 Wrote:
(10 hours ago)Cath2020 Wrote:
(12-21-2024, 09:22 PM)KM600 Wrote:
(12-21-2024, 07:46 PM)criollo2mil Wrote: Out w Daddy 1


So proud of them lionesses, their future was always uncertain even while Dark Mane was still alive and they were travelling all over with their brothers, seen interacting and running from pretty much every dominant coalition. S8’s Talamati Pride were looking much better off atp. Cut forward a year and some months, and now they have a stable territory with cubs and couldn’t have picked better fathers. Aside from the supposed litter from one of the lionesses straight after entering Southern Sabi Sands, they haven’t lost a single cub, long may that continue.


Yes, they have lost a cub.  There was an altercation with the Southern Pride and one cub was killed, and the mother was slightly injured.  I think it was one of the cubs in the youngest litter.

Interesting, I think I had heard of the Msutlu females killing a cub from Southern Pride at one point, but never themselves losing a cub.

Yes, turn around is fair play, I reckon.  It was posted last month on one of the FB pages.  It was the one with the 4 cubs who ended up limping with bite marks to her hindquarters.  Since it was a month ago, I'm sure she recovered well since we haven't heard more negative news.  'Wild Lions of Africa' page.
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The female with the youngest 4 cubs she was alone with her 4 little ones… another reason why females try to all have cubs around the same time so stuff like this won’t happen
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