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(11-03-2024, 11:01 PM)sunless Wrote: I do hope she teams up with the Othawa Girls or Tiyelele or maybe K12 so she is not alone and have some protection from the other females, just hoping that her and these lionesses become successful.
Othawas (as sisters would prob not accept her at this point anyways) and Tiyelele are too far from her traverse area.
Was going to say this. Othawas are now pretty much mature (have started mating), and they have each other. The two younger Southern pride lionesses must have helped their mother kill the Styx lioness, and they were younger, so it's not impossible that the Othawas could try and kill Tsalala.
K12 would be perfect. Her union with the Styx male seems unlikely to work, there's no way he could hold a territory by himself surrounded by duos and coalitions. The Orpen male was much older and wasn't able to. It would better for both K12 and Tsalala if she left him and joined her half-sister, but of course lions can't think like this. We can only hope this is how things play out. Now she's lost her cubs it would be the perfect time to join another lioness.
Hopefully, Ottawas won't be able to catch Tsalala due to her surviving skills as solo female.
(11-03-2024, 11:01 PM)sunless Wrote: I do hope she teams up with the Othawa Girls or Tiyelele or maybe K12 so she is not alone and have some protection from the other females, just hoping that her and these lionesses become successful.
Othawas (as sisters would prob not accept her at this point anyways) and Tiyelele are too far from her traverse area.
Was going to say this. Othawas are now pretty much mature (have started mating), and they have each other. The two younger Southern pride lionesses must have helped their mother kill the Styx lioness, and they were younger, so it's not impossible that the Othawas could try and kill Tsalala.
K12 would be perfect. Her union with the Styx male seems unlikely to work, there's no way he could hold a territory by himself surrounded by duos and coalitions. The Orpen male was much older and wasn't able to. It would better for both K12 and Tsalala if she left him and joined her half-sister, but of course lions can't think like this. We can only hope this is how things play out. Now she's lost her cubs it would be the perfect time to join another lioness.
Have they started mating? I know the PCM's were seen with one of them, but I didn't know it was a mating situation.
I might be mistaken but I swear there was a report of one of them mating with one of the PC males, after that initial sighting of the bigger PC male with them. I stand waiting to be corrected though.
(11-03-2024, 11:01 PM)sunless Wrote: I do hope she teams up with the Othawa Girls or Tiyelele or maybe K12 so she is not alone and have some protection from the other females, just hoping that her and these lionesses become successful.
Othawas (as sisters would prob not accept her at this point anyways) and Tiyelele are too far from her traverse area.
Was going to say this. Othawas are now pretty much mature (have started mating), and they have each other. The two younger Southern pride lionesses must have helped their mother kill the Styx lioness, and they were younger, so it's not impossible that the Othawas could try and kill Tsalala.
K12 would be perfect. Her union with the Styx male seems unlikely to work, there's no way he could hold a territory by himself surrounded by duos and coalitions. The Orpen male was much older and wasn't able to. It would better for both K12 and Tsalala if she left him and joined her half-sister, but of course lions can't think like this. We can only hope this is how things play out. Now she's lost her cubs it would be the perfect time to join another lioness.
Have they started mating? I know the PCM's were seen with one of them, but I didn't know it was a mating situation.
I might be mistaken but I swear there was a report of one of them mating with one of the PC males, after that initial sighting of the bigger PC male with them. I stand waiting to be corrected though.
I never saw that, but I can't call myself the most informed person in this regard. I had seen where they were with the one female that seemed sort of frightened, but never saw that they had actually mated.
(11-03-2024, 11:01 PM)sunless Wrote: I do hope she teams up with the Othawa Girls or Tiyelele or maybe K12 so she is not alone and have some protection from the other females, just hoping that her and these lionesses become successful.
Othawas (as sisters would prob not accept her at this point anyways) and Tiyelele are too far from her traverse area.
Was going to say this. Othawas are now pretty much mature (have started mating), and they have each other. The two younger Southern pride lionesses must have helped their mother kill the Styx lioness, and they were younger, so it's not impossible that the Othawas could try and kill Tsalala.
K12 would be perfect. Her union with the Styx male seems unlikely to work, there's no way he could hold a territory by himself surrounded by duos and coalitions. The Orpen male was much older and wasn't able to. It would better for both K12 and Tsalala if she left him and joined her half-sister, but of course lions can't think like this. We can only hope this is how things play out. Now she's lost her cubs it would be the perfect time to join another lioness.
Have they started mating? I know the PCM's were seen with one of them, but I didn't know it was a mating situation.
I might be mistaken but I swear there was a report of one of them mating with one of the PC males, after that initial sighting of the bigger PC male with them. I stand waiting to be corrected though.
I never saw that, but I can't call myself the most informed person in this regard. I had seen where they were with the one female that seemed sort of frightened, but never saw that they had actually mated.
Either of us could be right (or wrong) on this. I'll have to go back and have a look when I have more time, as I don't want to be posting inaccurate information.
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(11-03-2024, 11:01 PM)sunless Wrote: I do hope she teams up with the Othawa Girls or Tiyelele or maybe K12 so she is not alone and have some protection from the other females, just hoping that her and these lionesses become successful.
Othawas (as sisters would prob not accept her at this point anyways) and Tiyelele are too far from her traverse area.
Was going to say this. Othawas are now pretty much mature (have started mating), and they have each other. The two younger Southern pride lionesses must have helped their mother kill the Styx lioness, and they were younger, so it's not impossible that the Othawas could try and kill Tsalala.
K12 would be perfect. Her union with the Styx male seems unlikely to work, there's no way he could hold a territory by himself surrounded by duos and coalitions. The Orpen male was much older and wasn't able to. It would better for both K12 and Tsalala if she left him and joined her half-sister, but of course lions can't think like this. We can only hope this is how things play out. Now she's lost her cubs it would be the perfect time to join another lioness.
Have they started mating? I know the PCM's were seen with one of them, but I didn't know it was a mating situation.
I might be mistaken but I swear there was a report of one of them mating with one of the PC males, after that initial sighting of the bigger PC male with them. I stand waiting to be corrected though.
I never saw that, but I can't call myself the most informed person in this regard. I had seen where they were with the one female that seemed sort of frightened, but never saw that they had actually mated.
Either of us could be right (or wrong) on this. I'll have to go back and have a look when I have more time, as I don't want to be posting inaccurate information.
You are correct - the Singita Sabi Sands report mentioned that both PCMs were seen mating with ONE of the Othawa females. I'm not sure if the other one has either. I believe someone mentioned that it might be a false oestrus, although I think that's speculation for now.
Makhunga (the slightly bigger PC Male) was seen with both Othawa lionesses in August - he was seen defending them from a pursuing Mangheni lioness. They've been seen together on at least 3 occasions (twice by Savanna guides).
