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Lions of Tanzania (Serengeti, Ngorongoro and others)
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Lions of Tanzania (Serengeti, Ngorongoro and others)
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 (07-24-2024, 03:01 AM)Ngonya Wrote: turns out we are not 100% that the limping male is 1/9 of the Saba Bora, i saw alot of people claiming he is one of Bob Jr sons Yeah i saw this when it popped up in my feed last week. I wonder if this is older footage, before he was treated? That'sys the 1st thought that came to mind when i saw it. It's over a month since he was initially treated i would expect him to have recovered some unless he was caught again.  (07-24-2024, 11:58 PM)Ngonya Wrote: by Rufina Marko William Fixed your video for you. Since this may be helpful to others as well, I'll post it here, as opposed to in a PM. Imgur, on the videos pages, can be a little confusing, as there are in fact two sets of ..., as you can see here:  *This image is copyright of its original author The second (lower) set of ... are only seen when you place your pointer on the area of the video itself, and that is the ... you will want to select "Copy Link" from, as seen here:  *This image is copyright of its original author You can get to a "Copy Link" from the top set of ..., but they in fact provide different URLs, and the URL from the bottom option is the one that will properly embed on WildFact, using the [grvideo]"URL"[/grvideo] method.  (08-30-2024, 07:10 PM)BA0701 Wrote:i learned pretty well to use the imgur embed thanks to u and another user i forgot.(07-24-2024, 11:58 PM)Ngonya Wrote: by Rufina Marko William My embed didnt work at that post bc i made it when i was on mobile and was honestly not sure how it worked there, but when on my computer it gets easier. Thanks anyway, im sure this will be helpful whenever i dont remember it or someone else needs (08-30-2024, 08:21 PM)Ngonya Wrote:(08-30-2024, 07:10 PM)BA0701 Wrote:i learned pretty well to use the imgur embed thanks to u and another user i forgot.(07-24-2024, 11:58 PM)Ngonya Wrote: by Rufina Marko William I believe the other user was @criollo2mil . The link you had pasted in your OP, was the link from the top options ..., but it is different from the link provided in the lower ... Always happy to help, my friend!
3 of the mighty Saba Bora brothers a few days ago
 *This image is copyright of its original author Scar aka Chongo  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author not sure who are the other two but atleast one should be Kiduku, great partner of Chongo
by madealsimba
2/9 Saba Bora males today
The limping male, he was named 'King Atlas' or 'Atlas'. He is a handsome lion and easy to ID with his well-developed mane and characteristic limp Along wit him, the dominant brother, Scar aka Chongo by Tariq Said Sarico
I really don't know if it is true. And this video doesn't give any data (length, weight and so on). Why not ? It seems that these lions' big size could have originated an intruder lions invasion into the crater around 2010, later called the "Flow coalition".
" The Legacy of the flow coalition. Here, the lions are unique—a mysterious land that produces the largest lions in all of Africa. It was home to a coalition that puzzled local biologists; after all, even with foreign genes, they adapted in such a way that their offspring were considered true feline giants. The Ngorongoro Crater, an ancient volcanic caldera, hosts one of the greatest concentrations of wildlife in Africa. However, something particularly intriguing has captured the attention of scientists and adventurers worldwide—lions of such proportions that, when compared to the rest of the continent, show us that there are more mysteries on this earth than we can imagine. When the flow coalition emerged, they ushered in a new era of observation and study in the region. What was once believed to be genetic was revealed to possibly be more linked to the environment rather than DNA. These lions are larger, stronger, and more resilient than most felines in Africa. What secret does this crater hold that makes them so different? This is what we're going to try to uncover. " (09-17-2024, 11:40 PM)Spalea Wrote: I really don't know if it is true. And this video doesn't give any data (length, weight and so on). Why not ? It seems that these lions' big size could have originated an intruder lions invasion into the crater around 2010, later called the "Flow coalition". I don't know that the extra large size of Crater Cats is from a single coalition. In fact, I am not sure that their bigger size is related to genetics at all. My understanding, and maybe someone who is more knowledgeable on the matter can correct me if I am wrong, is that the Crater Cats are larger due to a consistent abundance of prey animals, and that their extra large and full manes is related to the cooler climate inside the crater. If it was a genetic result, I'd expect there to be a secondary, or sub, species designation given to them.
@BA0701 :
You wrote: " I don't know that the extra large size of Crater Cats is from a single coalition. In fact, I am not sure that their bigger size is related to genetics at all. My understanding, and maybe someone who is more knowledgeable on the matter can correct me if I am wrong, is that the Crater Cats are larger due to a consistent abundance of prey animals, and that their extra large and full manes is related to the cooler climate inside the crater. If it was a genetic result, I'd expect there to be a secondary, or sub, species designation given to them. " I have been told that the biggest lions in Africa were the Ngorongoro lions because of the cooler temperatures inside the crater, the Okawongo lions because of the assiduous pratice of swimming and moving into the water, but there is no one data aiming or tending to show that clearly. Exactly also like the extinct Atlas lions because of the altitude (for me it's a fake because which were their preys ? Wild goats, wild pigs... I truly think that a huge lion subspecy must necessary hunt huge preys: buffalos, giraffes and so on). I'm agree with you as concerns the only two intruder males able to father big.sized lions lineage. It's a little bit "far-fetched".
Saba Bora: Scar aka Chongo
 *This image is copyright of its original author by Emanuely Pallangyo
The king staring up at an oncoming storm  *This image is copyright of its original author by Capt. Casey Cooper
@Spalea The Ngorongoro Crater is a small place home to maybe less than a dozen adult male lions of which are all the 5 Lake Quintet males and their sons, or some few more other unrelated lions.
There are like 50-60 lions in the entire Crater, even the Western Sector of Sabi Sands back in 2006 had more lions, and that is already a very small area, just a piece of the Sabi Sands Game Reserve which is already not particularly big. So it's not like the Crater is a place that produces bigger lions than any other place, it's just a very small place that happens to have above average lions at this time in history. It'd be basically cherrypicking to claim the lions there are the biggest. Also, they are not, we always see them with full bellies and huge thick manes, but to the more trained eye, once you look at a lot of footage of lions there and everywhere else, you realize they don't look like giants at all, especially their dimensions like height and length, which we can have a better notion by comparing them to the females from their prides. There are chest girth ( and maybe other measurements I don't remember right now ) from Crater lions that may suggest an average weight of 212kg ( see this thread: https://wildfact.com/forum/topic-body-si...ater-lions ), which is a high average but it's a small sample, a very small area, so it doesn't mean the biggest lions are there. Anywhere else in Africa you can probably cherrypick a small area that happens, at that point in time, to have some 10 male lions that'd average 212kg or higher, or even have some huge beast that weights over 250kg ( I doubt there's any lion anywhere as big as that in the Crater right now ), but if you're gonna pick a wider area, with a much bigger sample of say 40, 50, 60 males, it's very likely that the average, anywhere in Africa, as long as the population is healthy, will be similar, probably around 190kg. Some also claim that Botswana lions or more specifically Okavango Delta lions are the biggest, but there's literally no evidence of that at all. Some other say Kalahari lions are the biggest, or Mara lions are, but once more, no evidence. Lions from certain areas do factually, on average, have bigger manes, but that's it, no evidence that their bodies are any bigger on average or that they produce the largest lions. I think something that plays into these myths is that the most footage we have from lions comes from Kruger where TB and other diseases are a thing, as well as the fact Kruger lions don't have manes as impressive as those of some other places, so peoplr are used to see some sick or malnourished Kruger lion with a small mane, but always seeing big-maned, healthy males with full bellies from other places, getting the impression that these lions are bigger than say lions from Kruger or some other areas.
@Mapokser :
About #599: You exactly confirm that, inside a small population, one of two (a dozen...) males whose size and weight are above the average cannot be really significant. And actually, when wild life parks are far from each other and completely scattered within a great continent, it becomes almost impossible to determine a clear trend about mensurations among differents subspecies inventoried when the fauna was much more widerspread in Africa. Locales particularities (lions living in a crater, lions having aquatic habits, lions living in altitude (Ethipia) and so on) always exist, they can explain some salient features but that's all. |
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