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(08-19-2024, 06:10 PM)KM600 Wrote: I don’t love this move for Othawas if this becomes permanent, they could easily become just like Tsalala pride, having little to no protection after conceiving, or even Mhangenis who really seemed to have been abandoned. It’s not fair for the stability of the two lionesses or the other females under PCM control. As we know tho, the things we want to happen rarely come true when it comes to lions.
Edit: I’m not sure if the links are copied when all of u view it too, but seems to be a website error.
On the flip side, the Otthawa females could incentivize the PCMs to remain west in their usual territory which will benefit the prides you mentioned above. Hopefully this will get them to finally clean house in Singita in terms of nomadic males.
I, too, thought this. As long as nobody seriously challenges them for Nkuhuma Pride, well not only challenges but can actually match them in strength, they won’t give up that many mating females. Even with the Othawas they still have a numbers issue. Two males can’t control that many prides without giving up atleast two of them. Even now they have 4 prides under their control and only visit two of them. They’d be separating themselves far too often and ultimately can’t safeguard every pride so it’d be pointless anyways.
To be fair the Manghenis also have more lionesses than the Ximunghwe lionesses yet the PCMs still visit them quite regularly, even after both prides gave birth to cubs. I'm just speculating here but by the time the Otthawa females come into estrus the PCMs should have mated with all the receptive Nkuhuma lionesses by that point and this could bring them back west.
As for challenges for Nkuhuma pride, yeah the PCMs don't have any strong competition at the moment, The only other coalitions that could make a move into that region are the Ndzhengas and Mantimahles and they seem content with what they have.
The Gijimas could be considered as well. I have said it before, but out of the PCMs, the Nwas, and the Gijimas, I believe on any given day, any one of them could defeat the other, with the right circumstances, and a little luck. But, the Gijimas seem to have their paws full, atm, trying to keep the Nkhulus at bay, they are definitely not looking to expand, and instead are trying to keep what they have.
I don't know about the Gijima males making a move in Northern SS right now because they would have to get past PCM and/or Nwa territory and as you mentioned, all three duos seem to be evenly matched and the Gijimas have their paws full with the Nkuhlus constantly testing them. Of course, that is not to say they won't move northwards in the future.
(08-19-2024, 06:10 PM)KM600 Wrote: I don’t love this move for Othawas if this becomes permanent, they could easily become just like Tsalala pride, having little to no protection after conceiving, or even Mhangenis who really seemed to have been abandoned. It’s not fair for the stability of the two lionesses or the other females under PCM control. As we know tho, the things we want to happen rarely come true when it comes to lions.
Edit: I’m not sure if the links are copied when all of u view it too, but seems to be a website error.
On the flip side, the Otthawa females could incentivize the PCMs to remain west in their usual territory which will benefit the prides you mentioned above. Hopefully this will get them to finally clean house in Singita in terms of nomadic males.
I, too, thought this. As long as nobody seriously challenges them for Nkuhuma Pride, well not only challenges but can actually match them in strength, they won’t give up that many mating females. Even with the Othawas they still have a numbers issue. Two males can’t control that many prides without giving up atleast two of them. Even now they have 4 prides under their control and only visit two of them. They’d be separating themselves far too often and ultimately can’t safeguard every pride so it’d be pointless anyways.
To be fair the Manghenis also have more lionesses than the Ximunghwe lionesses yet the PCMs still visit them quite regularly, even after both prides gave birth to cubs. I'm just speculating here but by the time the Otthawa females come into estrus the PCMs should have mated with all the receptive Nkuhuma lionesses by that point and this could bring them back west.
As for challenges for Nkuhuma pride, yeah the PCMs don't have any strong competition at the moment, The only other coalitions that could make a move into that region are the Ndzhengas and Mantimahles and they seem content with what they have.
The Gijimas could be considered as well. I have said it before, but out of the PCMs, the Nwas, and the Gijimas, I believe on any given day, any one of them could defeat the other, with the right circumstances, and a little luck. But, the Gijimas seem to have their paws full, atm, trying to keep the Nkhulus at bay, they are definitely not looking to expand, and instead are trying to keep what they have.
I don't know about the Gijima males making a move in Northern SS right now because they would have to get past PCM and/or Nwa territory and as you mentioned, all three duos seem to be evenly matched and the Gijimas have their paws full with the Nkuhlus constantly testing them. Of course, that is not to say they won't move northwards in the future.
I agree. It seems more likely that the N'waswitshaka/Ndzenga males take over the north, and the four Nkuhuma lionesses that don't seem to have fully accepted the PC males. Or the Mantimahtle males.
Elephant Plains weekly lion sightings 12-18th August 2024.
Monday, 12 August 2024
Eight Nkuhuma lioness and one Black Dam male lion, sleeping at Our Fathers crossing.
Wednesday, 14 August 2024
One Plains Camp male lion with three Nkuhuma Lionesses, resting North of Serengeti open area.
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Plains Camp male lion. Photo by Jordan Delvecchio
Friday, 16 August 2024
One Plains Camp male lion and three Nkuhuma lioness on a cape buffalo bull kill East of Boerbean Open.
Saturday, 17 August 2024
Three Nkuhuma lioness stationary South of Serengeti Crossing.
As little as 8 days ago, all Nkuhuma lionesses were seen together, and in the company of a male other than the PC males. So it seems that the pride is far from split, and definitely not taken over by the boys from the west. Evidently they all still hang together, until those two males show up.
(08-19-2024, 06:10 PM)KM600 Wrote: I don’t love this move for Othawas if this becomes permanent, they could easily become just like Tsalala pride, having little to no protection after conceiving, or even Mhangenis who really seemed to have been abandoned. It’s not fair for the stability of the two lionesses or the other females under PCM control. As we know tho, the things we want to happen rarely come true when it comes to lions.
Edit: I’m not sure if the links are copied when all of u view it too, but seems to be a website error.
On the flip side, the Otthawa females could incentivize the PCMs to remain west in their usual territory which will benefit the prides you mentioned above. Hopefully this will get them to finally clean house in Singita in terms of nomadic males.
I, too, thought this. As long as nobody seriously challenges them for Nkuhuma Pride, well not only challenges but can actually match them in strength, they won’t give up that many mating females. Even with the Othawas they still have a numbers issue. Two males can’t control that many prides without giving up atleast two of them. Even now they have 4 prides under their control and only visit two of them. They’d be separating themselves far too often and ultimately can’t safeguard every pride so it’d be pointless anyways.
To be fair the Manghenis also have more lionesses than the Ximunghwe lionesses yet the PCMs still visit them quite regularly, even after both prides gave birth to cubs. I'm just speculating here but by the time the Otthawa females come into estrus the PCMs should have mated with all the receptive Nkuhuma lionesses by that point and this could bring them back west.
As for challenges for Nkuhuma pride, yeah the PCMs don't have any strong competition at the moment, The only other coalitions that could make a move into that region are the Ndzhengas and Mantimahles and they seem content with what they have.
The Gijimas could be considered as well. I have said it before, but out of the PCMs, the Nwas, and the Gijimas, I believe on any given day, any one of them could defeat the other, with the right circumstances, and a little luck. But, the Gijimas seem to have their paws full, atm, trying to keep the Nkhulus at bay, they are definitely not looking to expand, and instead are trying to keep what they have.
I don't know about the Gijima males making a move in Northern SS right now because they would have to get past PCM and/or Nwa territory and as you mentioned, all three duos seem to be evenly matched and the Gijimas have their paws full with the Nkuhlus constantly testing them. Of course, that is not to say they won't move northwards in the future.
I agree. It seems more likely that the N'waswitshaka/Ndzenga males take over the north, and the four Nkuhuma lionesses that don't seem to have fully accepted the PC males. Or the Mantimahtle males.
The Nkuhumas might be too much for just the two Ndhzengas, even more with coalitions like the Nkhulus south
The Kambulas seem to be busy with the Imbali pride and maybe in the future taking over the Nharu or even Mbiris, but if theres a coalition who can handle a big territory is them due to their numbers so they might be a good option for the Nkuhumas if the boys decide to expand south and not north
The Mantimahtle males seem a good option, maybe there would need to big a little shift in territory from the Nkuhumas or even from the 2 males, but nothing drastic
Even the Nkuhuma and Talamati male ( they really need a coalition name if they stay together) is a better option compared to the PCMs in my opinion for the big pride
(08-19-2024, 06:10 PM)KM600 Wrote: I don’t love this move for Othawas if this becomes permanent, they could easily become just like Tsalala pride, having little to no protection after conceiving, or even Mhangenis who really seemed to have been abandoned. It’s not fair for the stability of the two lionesses or the other females under PCM control. As we know tho, the things we want to happen rarely come true when it comes to lions.
Edit: I’m not sure if the links are copied when all of u view it too, but seems to be a website error.
On the flip side, the Otthawa females could incentivize the PCMs to remain west in their usual territory which will benefit the prides you mentioned above. Hopefully this will get them to finally clean house in Singita in terms of nomadic males.
I, too, thought this. As long as nobody seriously challenges them for Nkuhuma Pride, well not only challenges but can actually match them in strength, they won’t give up that many mating females. Even with the Othawas they still have a numbers issue. Two males can’t control that many prides without giving up atleast two of them. Even now they have 4 prides under their control and only visit two of them. They’d be separating themselves far too often and ultimately can’t safeguard every pride so it’d be pointless anyways.
To be fair the Manghenis also have more lionesses than the Ximunghwe lionesses yet the PCMs still visit them quite regularly, even after both prides gave birth to cubs. I'm just speculating here but by the time the Otthawa females come into estrus the PCMs should have mated with all the receptive Nkuhuma lionesses by that point and this could bring them back west.
As for challenges for Nkuhuma pride, yeah the PCMs don't have any strong competition at the moment, The only other coalitions that could make a move into that region are the Ndzhengas and Mantimahles and they seem content with what they have.
The Gijimas could be considered as well. I have said it before, but out of the PCMs, the Nwas, and the Gijimas, I believe on any given day, any one of them could defeat the other, with the right circumstances, and a little luck. But, the Gijimas seem to have their paws full, atm, trying to keep the Nkhulus at bay, they are definitely not looking to expand, and instead are trying to keep what they have.
I don't know about the Gijima males making a move in Northern SS right now because they would have to get past PCM and/or Nwa territory and as you mentioned, all three duos seem to be evenly matched and the Gijimas have their paws full with the Nkuhlus constantly testing them. Of course, that is not to say they won't move northwards in the future.
I agree. It seems more likely that the N'waswitshaka/Ndzenga males take over the north, and the four Nkuhuma lionesses that don't seem to have fully accepted the PC males. Or the Mantimahtle males.
The Nkuhumas might be too much for just the two Ndhzengas, even more with coalitions like the Nkhulus south
The Kambulas seem to be busy with the Imbali pride and maybe in the future taking over the Nharu or even Mbiris, but if theres a coalition who can handle a big territory is them due to their numbers so they might be a good option for the Nkuhumas if the boys decide to expand south and not north
The Mantimahtle males seem a good option, maybe there would need to big a little shift in territory from the Nkuhumas or even from the 2 males, but nothing drastic
Even the Nkuhuma and Talamati male ( they really need a coalition name if they stay together) is a better option compared to the PCMs in my opinion for the big pride
Is the Imbali, Mibiri, and Nharu related? Also wasn’t the Talamatie lioness with the Kambula male lions?
08-21-2024, 07:35 PM( This post was last modified: 08-21-2024, 07:37 PM by Ngonya )
(08-21-2024, 05:00 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote: Depends of location, southern MM is not exactly Ndhzengas territory.
Also, Ndhzengas where yesterday seen in northen Sabi Sands, so 2 Nkhulus might sneak in from the south.
southern MalaMala is pretty much controled by the Nkhulus themselves (not sure how big the area they frequent there is).
But the way the guide says it sounds like deeper into MalaMala? Idk, for him to say "in Ndzhenga's territory" its either an over exaggeration/misunderstanding or indeed into Ndzhenga land.
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