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Talamati/Msutlu Pride

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(04-25-2024, 02:26 AM)Timbavati Wrote: February 2016 - The Talamati pride
Selati males were the dominants at that time
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( This post was last modified: 04-25-2024, 02:51 AM by Ngonya )

Tintswalo Safari, June 22, 2016
Selati Male, Talamati Pride & Cubs
"On the afternoon of the 22nd, I decided to go south [...] In the south, I found the Talamati pride, with a young Buffalo kill, just to the north of Buffelshoek plains. To my surprise, we discovered three brand new cubs as well. They were still a bit shy, and stayed on the periphery of the sighting."
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Talamati Female

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Talamati Cubs

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( This post was last modified: 04-30-2024, 09:38 PM by criollo2mil )

THE MSUTHLU PRIDE



Current Composition:  (as of 25 April 2024)


- 4 Lionesses sired by the Northern Avocas born appx mid 2018-early 2019
- 3 Cubs sired by Gijima Males born appx Nov/Dec 2023
- 2 Cubs sired by Gijimas born appx Dec 2023/Jan 2024
- 2 Cubs sired by Gijimas born appx Feb/March 2024

Pride Males :   Gijima Coalition

Resident around Sabi Sabi and Umkumbe region of Southern Sabi Sands.


The Msuthlu Pride gained its name approximately March of 2024 and named after a river bank in the region the pride was sighted most frequently and used as denning sites for their original litters.


Four Surviving Lionesses, Originated from the Talamatii Pride sired by the Northern Avocas settled in the Southern Regions of the Sabi Sands after being nomadic for over a year.  after being seen mating with several males of different Coalitions, they were ultimately taken over by the two Dominant Gijima Males.  

The four females have been coined on social media as:   Big Blue, Clipped Ear, Brown Tawny and Dark Amber based on distinctive physical traits.
   

Three of the Females have been reported to have litters.  


Clipped Ear is the mother of the Oldest litter of 3 Cubs; two Female and One Male.
       

Big Blue is mother to second Litter of 2 Cubs (sex unknown?)
           

Dark Amber is the third female suspected to have cubs but her litter has yet to be sighted.
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(04-25-2024, 08:38 PM)criollo2mil Wrote: Dark Amber is the third female suspected to have cubs but her litter has yet to be sighted.

I CANT SEEM TO GET THE PICS TOP SHOW UP...SO POSTED THEM TWICE
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(04-25-2024, 08:38 PM)criollo2mil Wrote: THE MSUTHLU PRIDE



Current Composition:  (as of 25 April 2024)


- 4 Lionesses sired by the Northern Avocas born appx mid 2019
- 3 Cubs sired by Gijima Males born appx Nov/Dec 2023
- 2 Cubs sired by Gijimas born appx Dec 2023/Jan 2024
- new unknown litter born appx Feb/March 2024 but have not been seen away from densites

Pride Males :   Gijima Coalition

Resident around Sabi Sabi and Umkumbe region of Southern Sabi Sands.


The Msuthlu Pride gained its name approximately March of 2024 and named after a river bank in the region the pride was sighted most frequently and used as denning sites for their original litters.


Four Surviving Lionesses, Originated from the Talamatii Pride sired by the Northern Avocas settled in the Southern Regions of the Sabi Sands after being nomadic for over a year.  after being seen mating with several males of different Coalitions, they were ultimately taken over by the two Dominant Gijima Males.  

The four females have been coined on social media as:   Big Blue, Clipped Ear, Brown Tawny and Dark Amber based on distinctive physical traits.


*This image is copyright of its original author


Three of the Females have been reported to have litters.  


Clipped Ear is the mother of the Oldest litter of 3 Cubs; two Female and One Male.

*This image is copyright of its original author


*This image is copyright of its original author


*This image is copyright of its original author


Big Blue is mother to second Litter of 2 Cubs (sex unknown?)


*This image is copyright of its original author


*This image is copyright of its original author


*This image is copyright of its original author



Dark Amber is the third female suspected to have cubs but her litter has yet to be sighted.

Excellent, and most helpful post, thank you so much for sharing it, my friend! As for the pics issue, please keep an eye on it, and if it continues don't hesitate to let any of us mods know, as it may be related to the recent moves with the site.
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(04-25-2024, 08:38 PM)criollo2mil Wrote: - 4 Lionesses sired by the Northern Avocas born appx mid 2019

Arent they born in late 2018/very early 2019?

In mid 2019 first cubs where born in NK pride, as far as im aware, Talamatis by that time had all cubs born and introduced to the pride.
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(04-25-2024, 08:59 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:
(04-25-2024, 08:38 PM)criollo2mil Wrote: - 4 Lionesses sired by the Northern Avocas born appx mid 2019

Arent they born in late 2018/very early 2019?

In mid 2019 first cubs where born in NK pride, as far as im aware, Talamatis by that time had all cubs born and introduced to the pride.

that might be the case, i struggled trying to get accurate timeline from 2018 so i went with mid 2019 as a compromise. I messaged a few others to see what they think. and I can updates as information arrives.
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Great News!

the Third litter of Msuthlu cubs has been revealed. sighted today joining and playing with three of their older siblings.

this brings the compliment of cubs to 7.



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Late 2018 early 2019
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(04-26-2024, 12:57 AM)criollo2mil Wrote: Great News!

the Third litter of Msuthlu cubs has been revealed.   sighted today joining and playing with three of their older siblings.

this brings the compliment of cubs to 7.




Man, those Gijima boys are sewing their seed just as much as the PCMs, so great to see!
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Tendi says nkuhuma ym comments say Khanya. Can someone confirm

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(04-26-2024, 09:03 AM)Friarfan619 Wrote: Tendi says nkuhuma ym comments say Khanya. Can someone confirm


I fixed your post, it was really jacked up. Ping me in a PM, if you'd like, and I'll explain what I did.

But, to answer your question, that is Khanya.
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(04-25-2024, 08:38 PM)criollo2mil  Cuteness overload!!! Wrote: THE MSUTHLU PRIDE



Current Composition:  (as of 25 April 2024)


- 4 Lionesses sired by the Northern Avocas born appx mid 2018-early 2019
- 3 Cubs sired by Gijima Males born appx Nov/Dec 2023
- 2 Cubs sired by Gijimas born appx Dec 2023/Jan 2024
- 2 Cubs sired by Gijimas born appx Feb/March 2024

Pride Males :   Gijima Coalition

Resident around Sabi Sabi and Umkumbe region of Southern Sabi Sands.


The Msuthlu Pride gained its name approximately March of 2024 and named after a river bank in the region the pride was sighted most frequently and used as denning sites for their original litters.


Four Surviving Lionesses, Originated from the Talamatii Pride sired by the Northern Avocas settled in the Southern Regions of the Sabi Sands after being nomadic for over a year.  after being seen mating with several males of different Coalitions, they were ultimately taken over by the two Dominant Gijima Males.  

The four females have been coined on social media as:   Big Blue, Clipped Ear, Brown Tawny and Dark Amber based on distinctive physical traits.


*This image is copyright of its original author


Three of the Females have been reported to have litters.  


Clipped Ear is the mother of the Oldest litter of 3 Cubs; two Female and One Male.

*This image is copyright of its original author


*This image is copyright of its original author


*This image is copyright of its original author


Big Blue is mother to second Litter of 2 Cubs (sex unknown?)


*This image is copyright of its original author


*This image is copyright of its original author


*This image is copyright of its original author



Dark Amber is the third female suspected to have cubs but her litter has yet to be sighted.
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Lion Sands published a good blog in March regarding some history of the Talamati / Now Msuthlu Pride.  



https://www.more.co.za/blog/the-tale-of-...c0fSXHpl30

The tale of the Talamati and Msuthu Prides at Lion Sands



In April of 2023, we witnessed an event that marked the beginning of a new chapter in Lion Sands' ever-changing story. Excitement filled our guests and guides alike when the two Gijima males were discovered with an unfamiliar lioness. The intrigue deepened when this mysterious lioness was observed mating with one of the Gijima males. Subsequently, it was revealed that she belonged to a group of four lionesses from the Talamati Pride.

History of the Talamati Pride
In 2007, a faction of lions separated from the Nkuhuma Pride and migrated northwards. These Nkuhuma Breakaways found refuge in the vicinity of the Talamati Bushveld Camp within Kruger National Park. By 2011, they had adopted the name Talamati Pride, derived from the camp's moniker, and later resettled in the Sabi Sand region.

Their saga unfolded amidst numerous trials and tribulations as they navigated the intricate dynamics of lion pride interactions in the Sabi Sand. Encounters with different male lion coalitions ensued, culminating in 2018 when the pride comprised five females. In early 2019, the Northern Avoca male lions established dominance in the northern Sabi Sand before extending their rule over the Talamati Pride in the South. Subsequently, nine cubs (six females and three males) were born, sired by the Northern Avoca Coalition.

By early 2020, the Talamati Pride journeyed further south, facing numerous challenges that resulted in the loss of three sub-adult members. Consequently, three out of the five adult females departed, leaving only two to tend to the remaining six sub-adults. Between 2022 and 2023, the four sub-adult females separated from the pride, venturing even deeper south where they encountered and subsequently followed the dominant Gijima Males.

“Given their independence from their natal pride, the decision was made to give them their own name—the Msuthu Pride.”


Lion Sands

Returning to Lion Sands, a week or two after the arrival of the first female, the remaining lionesses also ventured onto the property. Initially favouring the northeastern parts, they gradually expanded their territory southward as their confidence grew. Inevitably, conflicts arose with the Southern Pride and the Styx Pride. After several altercations, the Talamati Pride established dominance over the eastern region of Lion Sands, while the Southern Pride claimed the west, and the Styx Pride the south.

Introducing the Msuthu Pride

Over the past year, we have been privileged to witness remarkable moments with the Talamati Pride, including the introduction of two litters: one comprising two females and one male, and another consisting of one male and one female. Given their independence from their natal pride, the decision was made in consultation with the non-profit Panthera who heads up the research work on big cats, and with our neighbouring properties, to give them their own name—the Msuthu Pride. Named after the Msuthu drainage line in their territory, it also pays homage to their initial use of the Msuthu as a refuge and den site for both litters of cubs.
We eagerly anticipate watching the Msuthu Pride flourish and thrive, excited to witness the future they carve out for themselves.

https://www.more.co.za/blog/the-tale-of-...c0fSXHpl30



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