There is a world somewhere between reality and fiction. Although ignored by many, it is very real and so are those living in it. This forum is about the natural world. Here, wild animals will be heard and respected. The forum offers a glimpse into an unknown world as well as a room with a view on the present and the future. Anyone able to speak on behalf of those living in the emerald forest and the deep blue sea is invited to join.
--- Peter Broekhuijsen ---

  • 8 Vote(s) - 4.5 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Lions of Sabi Sands

Panama Mapokser Offline
Contributor
*****

@Tr1x24 You mention Mohawk and the PCM as an example of a massive difference, but I remember that a little before the PCM put their entire focus on ousting the Bboys and taking over the Western Sector, they were exploring Londolozi and the north, and it was shared here a photographer saying that Mohawk and Blondie were bigger than the PCM after the PCM visited the north roaring. It was also posted here a guide saying Mohawk and S8 were the same size... Now imagine comparing 2 lions that are closer in size, instead of Mohawk and PCM.

The distance of the sightings, angles, stomach content and overall shape the lion has at any given opportunity + the size of the mane all makes it harder to judge them if they are not together, and even without these factors, it's already very hard to judge sizes correctly.

It's the reason why sometimes we get suprised when some lions meet and their sizes in comparison to each other don't match the expectations... As that one Londolozi ranger said, he could only tell the smaller Ndhzenga was small when he was with his brother or the females, when alone he thought the smaller Ndhzenga was impressive.

I think if many guides/photographers claim a lion is big, and none say otherwise, we can safely say the lion is probably big, but unless we have them seeing the lions interacting in some capacity, their guesses may either be reliable or completely incorrect regarding who is bigger between 2 lions.
2 users Like Mapokser's post
Reply

Duco Ndona Offline
Contributor
*****

Guides are trying to sell the safari to its guests. Not doing scientific observations. 
Every lion they see is big imposing or whatever it is the guests like to hear. Unlike those lions at the neighbours.

Honestly, we have no way to measure the lions. No reliable references or observations or even guesses.
We know size is not a decisive factor in fights. So why are we constantly repeating this discussion?
4 users Like Duco Ndona's post
Reply

Panama Mapokser Offline
Contributor
*****

NK Breakaways in the West. If truly in Inyati they're in the core territory of the Ximhungwe.

Now with the subs reaching 2yo it's not impossible that they'll become a threat to Ximhungwe and Othawa, becoming the dominant pride in the Western Sector:




4 users Like Mapokser's post
Reply

Croatia Tr1x24 Offline
Top Contributor
******

(12-28-2023, 05:57 AM)Mapokser Wrote: impossible that they'll become a threat to Ximhungwe and Othawa, becoming the dominant pride in the Western Sector:

Still too early for that.

Even when they grow up, its questionable if male will "help" 2 females to outmuscle Ximhugwes.
Reply

Tonpa Offline
Contributor
*****

(12-27-2023, 10:21 PM)Tonpa Wrote: Kruger Male on Djuma dam cam 30 mins ago


*This image is copyright of its original author

*This image is copyright of its original author

Back to the Manyeleti this morning

4 users Like Tonpa's post
Reply

Poland NLAL11 Offline
Regular Member
***
( This post was last modified: 12-28-2023, 11:32 PM by NLAL11 )

Two Ndzenga/N'waswitshaka males, five Kambula lionesses and 13 cubs (3 small and 10 bigger) in the Sand River. Credits to Mala Mala.




5 users Like NLAL11's post
Reply

Ttimemarti Offline
Senior Member
****

(12-28-2023, 11:28 PM)NLAL11 Wrote: Two Ndzenga/N'waswitshaka males, five Kambula lionesses and 13 cubs (3 small and 10 bigger) in the Sand River. Credits to Mala Mala.





So if 13 cubs are with this group how many are with the other? 5 girls here should be 3 other females
Reply

Poland NLAL11 Offline
Regular Member
***

(12-29-2023, 12:43 AM)Ttimemarti Wrote:
(12-28-2023, 11:28 PM)NLAL11 Wrote: Two Ndzenga/N'waswitshaka males, five Kambula lionesses and 13 cubs (3 small and 10 bigger) in the Sand River. Credits to Mala Mala.





So if 13 cubs are with this group how many are with the other? 5 girls here should be 3 other females

Hard to say, I know @criollo2mil was keeping track, or doing their best to. Last Mala Mala report said two of the 'estranged' lionesses were denning at Campbell Koppies. At this point those 2 or 3 seem to be a breakaway pride. Not sure what K6 is doing. There doesn't seem to be any report on those breakaway cubs yet but hopefully we'll get something soon.
1 user Likes NLAL11's post
Reply

Panama Mapokser Offline
Contributor
*****

K6 was sighted alone, with the core pride, and with her sisters, according to MalaMala's last report.
1 user Likes Mapokser's post
Reply

United States afortich Offline
Contributor
*****

Summary 12.28.23 including PC boys with Mangheni, Ndhzenga, Styx pride, Gijimas with Talamati pride and S. Avoca




5 users Like afortich's post
Reply

Panama Mapokser Offline
Contributor
*****
( This post was last modified: 12-29-2023, 08:22 PM by Mapokser )

Tumbela with his daughters, he was still limping but in decent condition:


*This image is copyright of its original author



*This image is copyright of its original author


Credits to Kaelin Cohen & Taylor Manning.
11 users Like Mapokser's post
Reply

1999gc8 Offline
Regular Member
***
( This post was last modified: 12-29-2023, 06:11 PM by 1999gc8 )

Gijima's chased away by Nkhulu's. Footage starts at 3:53.
Two of the Nkhulu's appeared to have issues with their rear legs and looked very uncomfortable trying to run.




7 users Like 1999gc8's post
Reply

United Kingdom KM600 Offline
Senior Member
****

(12-29-2023, 06:10 PM)1999gc8 Wrote: Gijima's chased away by Nkhulu's. Footage starts at 3:53.
Two of the Nkhulu's appeared to have issues with their rear legs and looked very uncomfortable trying to run.





Very unnecessary risk by Gijimas unless they picked upon the Nkhulu males close to their territory boundary and decided to go after them to avoid a possible invasion. I don’t think they can afford to try and extend their territory anymore.
Reply

United States T_Ferguson Offline
Regular Member
***

(12-29-2023, 06:52 PM)KM600 Wrote:
(12-29-2023, 06:10 PM)1999gc8 Wrote: Gijima's chased away by Nkhulu's. Footage starts at 3:53.
Two of the Nkhulu's appeared to have issues with their rear legs and looked very uncomfortable trying to run.





Very unnecessary risk by Gijimas unless they picked upon the Nkhulu males close to their territory boundary and decided to go after them to avoid a possible invasion. I don’t think they can afford to try and extend their territory anymore.

I mean.. it worked for them before.   Correct me if I'm wrong as it happened just before I started really paying attention to Sabi, but they cut the N'Was down to 3 at one point with these types of tactics.  Just not sure how it's going to play out for them this time.
Reply

Croatia Tr1x24 Offline
Top Contributor
******
( This post was last modified: 12-29-2023, 07:17 PM by Tr1x24 )

(12-29-2023, 06:52 PM)KM600 Wrote: Very unnecessary risk by Gijimas unless they picked upon the Nkhulu males close to their territory boundary and decided to go after them to avoid a possible invasion. I don’t think they can afford to try and extend their territory anymore.

Gijimas are seen occassionaly pushing quite far east into Kirkmans Kamp, aswell as north into Londolozi.

Duo is very confident, as we can see how LM Gijima immidiately tried to engage blindly, but realized it was a mistake when he saw 5 males lying there.

Its stated that it was in Nkhulus territory.

Does someone have original video/source?
Reply






Users browsing this thread:
31 Guest(s)

About Us
Go Social     Subscribe  

Welcome to WILDFACT forum, a website that focuses on sharing the joy that wildlife has on offer. We welcome all wildlife lovers to join us in sharing that joy. As a member you can share your research, knowledge and experience on animals with the community.
wildfact.com is intended to serve as an online resource for wildlife lovers of all skill levels from beginners to professionals and from all fields that belong to wildlife anyhow. Our focus area is wild animals from all over world. Content generated here will help showcase the work of wildlife experts and lovers to the world. We believe by the help of your informative article and content we will succeed to educate the world, how these beautiful animals are important to survival of all man kind.
Many thanks for visiting wildfact.com. We hope you will keep visiting wildfact regularly and will refer other members who have passion for wildlife.

Forum software by © MyBB