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(02-02-2023, 06:58 PM)Tonpa Wrote: I think its a picture taken through the fence, there's no lions on Guernsey game reserve
They were on Thornybush this morning
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There's no lions in Guernsey game reserve? There are 3 females and 1 male and 1 leopard who jumped the fence a few months ago? I remember how the Black Dam males and the big dark maned male (father of the Guernsey male) used to get into epic fights along the fence line. I need to find that sighting but he was constantly chasing the Black Dams from the fence.
(02-02-2023, 06:58 PM)Tonpa Wrote: I think its a picture taken through the fence, there's no lions on Guernsey game reserve
They were on Thornybush this morning
Help me Brother
*This image is copyright of its original author
There's no lions in Guernsey game reserve? There are 3 females and 1 male and 1 leopard who jumped the fence a few months ago? I remember how the Black Dam males and the big dark maned male (father of the Guernsey male) used to get into epic fights along the fence line. I need to find that sighting but he was constantly chasing the Black Dams from the fence.
That's Kapama game reserve, Guernsey is a reserve right next to them both with no elephants or lions.
(02-02-2023, 06:58 PM)Tonpa Wrote: I think its a picture taken through the fence, there's no lions on Guernsey game reserve
They were on Thornybush this morning
Help me Brother
*This image is copyright of its original author
There's no lions in Guernsey game reserve? There are 3 females and 1 male and 1 leopard who jumped the fence a few months ago? I remember how the Black Dam males and the big dark maned male (father of the Guernsey male) used to get into epic fights along the fence line. I need to find that sighting but he was constantly chasing the Black Dams from the fence.
That's Kapama game reserve, Guernsey is a reserve right next to them both with no elephants or lions.
From the Kingfisher creek site
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Oh interesting, so why do they keep calling these lions "Guernsey" males and females? Is the pride in Kampa called that?
02-03-2023, 05:45 AM( This post was last modified: 02-03-2023, 05:54 AM by SMK350 )
The 4 Black Dam males in Thornybush are territorial males over the Guernsey females and the Avoca breakaways. The are the dominant males over all of Southern Thornybush.
Edit: it also seems like a lot of history of the 6 black dams may not be known which is why you consider them unimpactful but that’s why I think diversifying to coalitions outside sabi sands may be helpful. Their reemergence in Thornybush completely changed the fate of several prides in that area, including their own natal pride which may never be able to return to that area. You can talk to Thornybush rangers about how this impacted their reserve. They ended the life of the Monwana male, the last of the Trilogy offspring with that pride. They’re attempted take over of the rest of the Avocas is one of the more interesting dynamics being played out at the moment.
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(02-03-2023, 05:45 AM)SMK350 Wrote: The 4 Black Dam males in Thornybush are territorial males over the Guernsey females and the Avoca breakaways. The are the dominant males over all of Southern Thornybush.
Edit: it also seems like a lot of history of the 6 black dams may not be known which is why you consider them unimpactful but that’s why I think diversifying to coalitions outside sabi sands may be helpful. Their reemergence in Thornybush completely changed the fate of several prides in that area, including their own natal pride which may never be able to return to that area. You can talk to Thornybush rangers about how this impacted their reserve. They ended the life of the Monwana male, the last of the Trilogy offspring with that pride. They’re attempted take over of the rest of the Avocas is one of the more interesting dynamics being played out at the moment.
@SMK350 I am moving this conversation here, out of the Avocas thread, and to a more pertinent thread. My response to your last in the Avocas thread is as follows:
I never said the BDMs were unimpactful, certainly Mohawk would have something to say in that regard, merely that through my knowledge of the Gijimas and limited knowledge of the BDMs, I believed the Gijimas to have been more so currently. I also believe there is certainly some confusion involved here as well, given the BDMs being discussed were mentioned in the Avoca Males thread, it implied, at least to myself, that we were referring to the two who have been harassing Mohawk these recent weeks.
Which Monwana male was killed by the 4 BDMs?
I have no issues creating a thread for the 4 in Thornybush, if they hold territory and are dominant over a pride, I would only ask that we know there will be somewhat frequent updates on their status. As we have seen with some of the existing coalition threads, and even some of the more recent pride threads, some are more active, and as a result more informative, than others due to the frequency of updates coming from those on the ground, or perhaps the lack of the same. If updates on the BDMs in Thornybush are infrequent at best, then the Timbavati thread would likely remain the best place for posts regarding them.
Another coalition I failed to mention in my previous comment, would be the two Mbiris, Scar and Shaka. They have certainly had an impact on lion dynamics for some time now, and are currently vying for a pride and territory, though I understand they have already claimed some of the territory. However, recent updates have been rather infrequent, so for now the Timbavati thread is likely the best place for information on them as well.
Just as I have moved this conversation there since we are clearly not discussing the Avocas, or even the BDMs in the northern reaches Sabi Sands, who are harassing the last Avoca at the moment.
(02-02-2023, 01:50 PM)Potato Wrote: Last week I posted some shots of this rare white lion. Here are two pics of him getting into a scuffle with his father. The father is letting the son know that it is about time he leaves the pride and strikes out on his own. Male lions are usually forced out by the time they are three years old. Our guide told us that these fights had become more frequent, so the time was nearing. The second image is not really sharp, but I like the action and the composition. I did not have the proper settings to capture this sudden action as it was a bright sunny day and the lions were actually pretty mellow until this happened. Ngala, South Africa.
(02-03-2023, 05:45 AM)SMK350 Wrote: The 4 Black Dam males in Thornybush are territorial males over the Guernsey females and the Avoca breakaways. The are the dominant males over all of Southern Thornybush.
Edit: it also seems like a lot of history of the 6 black dams may not be known which is why you consider them unimpactful but that’s why I think diversifying to coalitions outside sabi sands may be helpful. Their reemergence in Thornybush completely changed the fate of several prides in that area, including their own natal pride which may never be able to return to that area. You can talk to Thornybush rangers about how this impacted their reserve. They ended the life of the Monwana male, the last of the Trilogy offspring with that pride. They’re attempted take over of the rest of the Avocas is one of the more interesting dynamics being played out at the moment.
You explained your reasons for your post in the Avocas thread, but can you advise which of the Monwana males was killed by the 4 BDMs in Thornybush?
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(02-03-2023, 05:45 AM)SMK350 Wrote: The 4 Black Dam males in Thornybush are territorial males over the Guernsey females and the Avoca breakaways. The are the dominant males over all of Southern Thornybush.
Edit: it also seems like a lot of history of the 6 black dams may not be known which is why you consider them unimpactful but that’s why I think diversifying to coalitions outside sabi sands may be helpful. Their reemergence in Thornybush completely changed the fate of several prides in that area, including their own natal pride which may never be able to return to that area. You can talk to Thornybush rangers about how this impacted their reserve. They ended the life of the Monwana male, the last of the Trilogy offspring with that pride. They’re attempted take over of the rest of the Avocas is one of the more interesting dynamics being played out at the moment.
You explained your reasons for your post in the Avocas thread, but can you advise which of the Monwana males was killed by the 4 BDMs in Thornybush?
I don’t know how you guys embed these links but you can read it here:
He was attempting to claim the Avoca pride with his partner but the BDMs caught and killed him and almost caught the Guernesy Male too. They have been trying to track him down for months but he keeps giving them the slip. It’s basically the thornybush version of the western sector and Guernesy male is their Scorro.
(02-03-2023, 05:45 AM)SMK350 Wrote: The 4 Black Dam males in Thornybush are territorial males over the Guernsey females and the Avoca breakaways. The are the dominant males over all of Southern Thornybush.
Edit: it also seems like a lot of history of the 6 black dams may not be known which is why you consider them unimpactful but that’s why I think diversifying to coalitions outside sabi sands may be helpful. Their reemergence in Thornybush completely changed the fate of several prides in that area, including their own natal pride which may never be able to return to that area. You can talk to Thornybush rangers about how this impacted their reserve. They ended the life of the Monwana male, the last of the Trilogy offspring with that pride. They’re attempted take over of the rest of the Avocas is one of the more interesting dynamics being played out at the moment.
You explained your reasons for your post in the Avocas thread, but can you advise which of the Monwana males was killed by the 4 BDMs in Thornybush?
I don’t know how you guys embed these links but you can read it here:
He was attempting to claim the Avoca pride with his partner but the BDMs caught and killed him and almost caught the Guernesy Male too. They have been trying to track him down for months but he keeps giving them the slip. It’s basically the thornybush version of the western sector and Guernesy male is their Scorro.
Thank you for sharing this. I would have to assume that he is referring to the limping Monwana male, as he was who was with the Gurnsey male, but last I recall he was seen alone some time ago, after the two of them had gotten separated. So, this news, which is almost 4 months old, is surprising to me.
As for the sharing of Instagram links, using the following template, typically allows them images/videos to be embedded, but for some unknown reason it doesn't seem to always work, as is the case with this link, which I was unable to get to work, even using the "shared" link from Instagram itself.
(02-03-2023, 05:45 AM)SMK350 Wrote: The 4 Black Dam males in Thornybush are territorial males over the Guernsey females and the Avoca breakaways. The are the dominant males over all of Southern Thornybush.
Edit: it also seems like a lot of history of the 6 black dams may not be known which is why you consider them unimpactful but that’s why I think diversifying to coalitions outside sabi sands may be helpful. Their reemergence in Thornybush completely changed the fate of several prides in that area, including their own natal pride which may never be able to return to that area. You can talk to Thornybush rangers about how this impacted their reserve. They ended the life of the Monwana male, the last of the Trilogy offspring with that pride. They’re attempted take over of the rest of the Avocas is one of the more interesting dynamics being played out at the moment.
You explained your reasons for your post in the Avocas thread, but can you advise which of the Monwana males was killed by the 4 BDMs in Thornybush?
I don’t know how you guys embed these links but you can read it here:
He was attempting to claim the Avoca pride with his partner but the BDMs caught and killed him and almost caught the Guernesy Male too. They have been trying to track him down for months but he keeps giving them the slip. It’s basically the thornybush version of the western sector and Guernesy male is their Scorro.
Thank you for sharing this. I would have to assume that he is referring to the limping Monwana male, as he was who was with the Gurnsey male, but last I recall he was seen alone some time ago, after the two of them had gotten separated. So, this news, which is almost 4 months old, is surprising to me.
As for the sharing of Instagram links, using the following template, typically allows them images/videos to be embedded, but for some unknown reason it doesn't seem to always work, as is the case with this link, which I was unable to get to work, even using the "shared" link from Instagram itself.
Embed Instagram links use the following:
[insta]**paste link here**[/insta]
This monwana found dead is the youngest, son of the males in the trilogy if I remember correctly, The lame is still alive around as far as I know as well as Guernesy, the male monwana limp was with a young male of the giraffe pride but has recently been Seen alone so I don't know what happened to the other young man
02-04-2023, 06:31 AM( This post was last modified: 02-04-2023, 07:48 AM by BA0701 )
(02-04-2023, 06:27 AM)Gavskrr Wrote:
(02-04-2023, 04:29 AM)BA0701 Wrote:
(02-04-2023, 03:48 AM)SMK350 Wrote:
(02-04-2023, 03:25 AM)BA0701 Wrote:
(02-03-2023, 05:45 AM)SMK350 Wrote: The 4 Black Dam males in Thornybush are territorial males over the Guernsey females and the Avoca breakaways. The are the dominant males over all of Southern Thornybush.
Edit: it also seems like a lot of history of the 6 black dams may not be known which is why you consider them unimpactful but that’s why I think diversifying to coalitions outside sabi sands may be helpful. Their reemergence in Thornybush completely changed the fate of several prides in that area, including their own natal pride which may never be able to return to that area. You can talk to Thornybush rangers about how this impacted their reserve. They ended the life of the Monwana male, the last of the Trilogy offspring with that pride. They’re attempted take over of the rest of the Avocas is one of the more interesting dynamics being played out at the moment.
You explained your reasons for your post in the Avocas thread, but can you advise which of the Monwana males was killed by the 4 BDMs in Thornybush?
I don’t know how you guys embed these links but you can read it here:
He was attempting to claim the Avoca pride with his partner but the BDMs caught and killed him and almost caught the Guernesy Male too. They have been trying to track him down for months but he keeps giving them the slip. It’s basically the thornybush version of the western sector and Guernesy male is their Scorro.
Thank you for sharing this. I would have to assume that he is referring to the limping Monwana male, as he was who was with the Gurnsey male, but last I recall he was seen alone some time ago, after the two of them had gotten separated. So, this news, which is almost 4 months old, is surprising to me.
As for the sharing of Instagram links, using the following template, typically allows them images/videos to be embedded, but for some unknown reason it doesn't seem to always work, as is the case with this link, which I was unable to get to work, even using the "shared" link from Instagram itself.
Embed Instagram links use the following:
[insta]**paste link here**[/insta]
This monwana found dead is the youngest, son of the males in the trilogy if I remember correctly, The lame is still alive around as far as I know as well as Guernesy, the male monwana limp was with a young male of the giraffe pride but has recently been Seen alone so I don't know what happened to the other young man
The limping Monwana isn't the same Monwana that was spending time with Gurnsey male? Then I am, indeed, entirely confused. All this time I thought the Gurnsey male was the second male who was partnering with the limping male. Who was the male that the limping Monwana male was partnered up with?
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