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The Tumbela Coalition
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Tumbela has been with Othawas for a little while now and for now it's working out for them, it would be an amazing display of lion dynamics if they keep going and the Othawas reach adulthood, it'd be the first time I've ever seen a male lion "raising" cubs.
But it's a long shot that this will happen and first they have to avoid PCM that are in the neighbor lodge right now. (01-24-2023, 12:39 AM)Mapokser Wrote: Tumbela has been with Othawas for a little while now and for now it's working out for them, it would be an amazing display of lion dynamics if they keep going and the Othawas reach adulthood, it'd be the first time I've ever seen a male lion "raising" cubs. Although it is extremely rare, Notch raised his cubs but the cubs were all males.  (01-24-2023, 12:39 AM)Mapokser Wrote: Tumbela has been with Othawas for a little while now and for now it's working out for them, it would be an amazing display of lion dynamics if they keep going and the Othawas reach adulthood, it'd be the first time I've ever seen a male lion "raising" cubs. This happened in India in 2018. https://www.thebetterindia.com/141561/li...ther-dies/ 
I think its more that Skorro at first didn't see much hope for the subs.
But as they manage to do pretty well on their own. He became interested in becoming their pride male again. So less a father cub relationship. But more a normal pride and male lion relationship. (01-24-2023, 01:07 AM)1ofCourage Wrote:(01-24-2023, 12:39 AM)Mapokser Wrote: Tumbela has been with Othawas for a little while now and for now it's working out for them, it would be an amazing display of lion dynamics if they keep going and the Othawas reach adulthood, it'd be the first time I've ever seen a male lion "raising" cubs. Very interesting article because the cubs here were so little (3 months old).  (01-24-2023, 01:15 AM)Duco Ndona Wrote: I think its more that Skorro at first didn't see much hope for the subs. They are just nomads who hang together as both parties benefit from it, and they know each other, some bond is still there. I dont think Skorro Jr., or any male would be interested into becoming pride male for 2 lone sub females. Reason why he hangs with them, is prob because recently he got ditched and denied from Ximhungwes by both Birminghams and PCs. If he wasnt, he would hang with Ximhungwes, and not 2 sub Othawas, as he was occasionaly in the past, when Birminghams and PC's where not around, even seen chasing/attacking the same sub girls with Ximhungwes. If Ximhungwes become available again for him, i think he will again leave his daughters for territorial, adult girls. (01-24-2023, 01:02 AM)afortich Wrote:(01-24-2023, 12:39 AM)Mapokser Wrote: Tumbela has been with Othawas for a little while now and for now it's working out for them, it would be an amazing display of lion dynamics if they keep going and the Othawas reach adulthood, it'd be the first time I've ever seen a male lion "raising" cubs. That was more of Notch being a very smart lion and joining their coalition, than actually raising them. Especially because, even after his partner Light Male got killed, Notch was able to keep his territory for 2 more years. His sons were fully independent when they got chased out, probably 3yo already or close to that. (01-24-2023, 01:55 AM)Mapokser Wrote:(01-24-2023, 01:02 AM)afortich Wrote:(01-24-2023, 12:39 AM)Mapokser Wrote: Tumbela has been with Othawas for a little while now and for now it's working out for them, it would be an amazing display of lion dynamics if they keep going and the Othawas reach adulthood, it'd be the first time I've ever seen a male lion "raising" cubs. Right. I think the youngsters were not 3 years old when Notch started to raise them, about 2 and a half.
Ultimately its just about sex and food. The subs can hunt so they are of value to the local male population.
If the Ximhungwes become available again. Then sure he will join them again. He cant mate with the subs afteral. But until that point. The subs are better than nothing. In any case. I doubt he sees them as his little cubbies and now suddenly decided to be a daddy after all those weeks.
@Duco Ndona Lions are more complex than that, if it was absolutely all about food and mating they would kill their own cubs to mate again and be long extinct.
Read the article posted above, an asiatic male lion raised 3 months old cubs to independence, even avoiding mating so the female couldn't attack the cubs. I remember the story of a tiger who did the same and tigers aren't even social. Of course this is an very specific and rare case but to assume lions have no bonds and can only act on basis of mating and easier food is silly. (01-24-2023, 05:09 AM)Mapokser Wrote: @Duco Ndona Lions are more complex than that, if it was absolutely all about food and mating they would kill their own cubs to mate again and be long extinct. Exactly. I also remember that a while ago, someone provided information/evidence of a coalition or pride bringing food to the injured lion that was away from them, which is also an uncommon/rare behavior. I don't remember the thread but it is in the lion forum.
I am not saying they dont have bonds. But these sorts of cases are extremely rare as the circumstances have to align nearly perfectly.
Most of the time the wild does not offer such luxuries. 
Tumbela male , Skorro jr, with both of his daughters.
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