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08-30-2022, 09:46 PM( This post was last modified: 08-30-2022, 09:46 PM by Pckts )
Cage speculation is fine but just to give you guys an idea of what a real Tiger's shoulder height would be...
No Tiger has ever measured 48'' at the shoulder and generally speaking the average of a good sized Male Tiger at the shoulder if measured properly is going to start at 3'.
42'' Shoulder height is very tall for a big cat, we're talking about the top 1% of any Lion or Tiger.
The 114cm/44'' mark which is said to the maximum Tiger height was also measured over the curves if I'm remembering correctly. So realistically like with most other categories, it's Brander's giant Tiger that probably tops the list in shoulder height or at least very close.
My guess in regards to size, no Tiger is going to outweigh the Kaziranga Cats overall. Body dimension is very hard to determine but at least when looking at their Skulls, they do seem to possess the largest Skulls of any Tiger population I've seen and generally speaking a Large skull belongs to a big cat. Obviously not the only correlation but still a good one.
I wasn’t talking about shoulder height, i was talking about a tiger’s ability to stand-up right without having to tilt his head down in discomfort. as it’s often the case with the squeeze cages. hence the name of the cage.
Quote:My guess in regards to size, no Tiger is going to outweigh the Kaziranga Cats overall. Body dimension is very hard to determine but at least when looking at their Skulls, they do seem to possess the largest Skulls of any Tiger population I've seen and generally speaking a Large skull belongs to a big cat. Obviously not the only correlation but still a good one.
that’s subjective, Terai tigers have always been the biggest tigers. even the biggest tiger on record is from Terai. biggest tiger weighed in recent time is also from Terai. for years, we talked about Kaziranga tigers with nothing to work with, it was purely just speculation at best. the weights from Dudhwa seems to suggest otherwise.
if i remember correctly, Kaziranga had a female that was weighed on a Salter Brecknell 235 series hanging scale with a capacity of 300kg or 660lbs but her weight was never advertised. the Kaziranga male of 250kg was unknown to me, in fact. i recently saw it circulating around the internet. the tiger in question has some bizzare dimensions, a massive animal for sure. i’m not ruling Kaziranga out but the fact that they have the biggest skulls and everything isn’t facts. it’s all an opinion. we have underestimated Terai tigers for a good number of years. I can’t deny their existence.
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Dr.Raghunandan Chundawat having a dicussion on Kauva Ghatia’s picture with Vibhav Srivastava
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Dr.Raghunandan Chundawat worked with some of the biggest known males from Central India (Hairyfoot, Madla & Brokentooth) so a statement like this from him holds a lot of weight. on the other hand, Valmik Thappar and few others saw their biggest tiger in Kaziranga so i guess it works both ways.
08-30-2022, 11:50 PM( This post was last modified: 08-31-2022, 12:25 AM by Pckts )
(08-30-2022, 10:38 PM)Roflcopters Wrote: I wasn’t talking about shoulder height, i was talking about a tiger’s ability to stand-up right without having to tilt his head down in discomfort. as it’s often the case with the squeeze cages. hence the name of the cage.
Quote:My guess in regards to size, no Tiger is going to outweigh the Kaziranga Cats overall. Body dimension is very hard to determine but at least when looking at their Skulls, they do seem to possess the largest Skulls of any Tiger population I've seen and generally speaking a Large skull belongs to a big cat. Obviously not the only correlation but still a good one.
that’s subjective, Terai tigers have always been the biggest tigers. even the biggest tiger on record is from Terai. biggest tiger weighed in recent time is also from Terai. for years, we talked about Kaziranga tigers with nothing to work with, it was purely just speculation at best. the weights from Dudhwa seems to suggest otherwise.
if i remember correctly, Kaziranga had a female that was weighed on a Salter Brecknell 235 series hanging scale with a capacity of 300kg or 660lbs but her weight was never advertised. the Kaziranga male of 250kg was unknown to me, in fact. i recently saw it circulating around the internet. the tiger in question has some bizzare dimensions, a massive animal for sure. i’m not ruling Kaziranga out but the fact that they have the biggest skulls and everything isn’t facts. it’s all an opinion. we have underestimated Terai tigers for a good number of years. I can’t deny their existence.
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Dr.Raghunandan Chundawat having a dicussion on Kauva Ghatia’s picture with Vibhav Srivastava
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Dr.Raghunandan Chundawat worked with some of the biggest known males from Central India (Hairyfoot, Madla & Brokentooth) so a statement like this from him holds a lot of weight. on the other hand, Valmik Thappar and few others saw their biggest tiger in Kaziranga so i guess it works both ways.
The biggest Tiger on record was from C. India and that was Branders 600lb *est* monster. The largest verified weight of a modern Tiger also came from C. India
*Kanha*
Terai Tigers have been measured and weighed *hewett* and their weights were not outstanding. And in fact if I remember correctly, it was the Assam males who possessed the largest skulls of the studies but none came from Kaziranga.
Large prey=Large skulls
There’s no better Large prey biomass on earth than Kaziranga at this stage for Bengal Tigers.
I’ve already posted someone who’s seen Huge Dudhwa males and Kaziranga Males, he’s said Kaziranga males were larger. This statement was also seconded by Kanwaar who’s also seen tons of Corbett and Kaziranga males and he also said Kaziranga males were larger.
To my knowledge, Chundawat has no experience in Kazaringa and Panna is only one location in C. India and a very small population at that. The Corbett expert was just in Kanha and got to see the Neela Nala male, he said he’s as large as any male he’s seen in Corbett.
(08-30-2022, 10:38 PM)Roflcopters Wrote: I wasn’t talking about shoulder height, i was talking about a tiger’s ability to stand-up right without having to tilt his head down in discomfort. as it’s often the case with the squeeze cages. hence the name of the cage.
Quote:My guess in regards to size, no Tiger is going to outweigh the Kaziranga Cats overall. Body dimension is very hard to determine but at least when looking at their Skulls, they do seem to possess the largest Skulls of any Tiger population I've seen and generally speaking a Large skull belongs to a big cat. Obviously not the only correlation but still a good one.
that’s subjective, Terai tigers have always been the biggest tigers. even the biggest tiger on record is from Terai. biggest tiger weighed in recent time is also from Terai. for years, we talked about Kaziranga tigers with nothing to work with, it was purely just speculation at best. the weights from Dudhwa seems to suggest otherwise.
if i remember correctly, Kaziranga had a female that was weighed on a Salter Brecknell 235 series hanging scale with a capacity of 300kg or 660lbs but her weight was never advertised. the Kaziranga male of 250kg was unknown to me, in fact. i recently saw it circulating around the internet. the tiger in question has some bizzare dimensions, a massive animal for sure. i’m not ruling Kaziranga out but the fact that they have the biggest skulls and everything isn’t facts. it’s all an opinion. we have underestimated Terai tigers for a good number of years. I can’t deny their existence.
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Dr.Raghunandan Chundawat having a dicussion on Kauva Ghatia’s picture with Vibhav Srivastava
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Dr.Raghunandan Chundawat worked with some of the biggest known males from Central India (Hairyfoot, Madla & Brokentooth) so a statement like this from him holds a lot of weight. on the other hand, Valmik Thappar and few others saw their biggest tiger in Kaziranga so i guess it works both ways.
it also all depends what kind of tiger they saw ,i could be wrong but i think exceptional tiger of terai belt exceeds kaziranga tigers in body length, like that of camera trapped rajaji male , kaziranga tigers look stocky and well built with big head but i havnt seen a long tiger like that from kazi .
08-31-2022, 01:12 AM( This post was last modified: 08-31-2022, 01:29 AM by Roflcopters )
(08-30-2022, 11:50 PM)Pckts Wrote:
(08-30-2022, 10:38 PM)Roflcopters Wrote: I wasn’t talking about shoulder height, i was talking about a tiger’s ability to stand-up right without having to tilt his head down in discomfort. as it’s often the case with the squeeze cages. hence the name of the cage.
Quote:My guess in regards to size, no Tiger is going to outweigh the Kaziranga Cats overall. Body dimension is very hard to determine but at least when looking at their Skulls, they do seem to possess the largest Skulls of any Tiger population I've seen and generally speaking a Large skull belongs to a big cat. Obviously not the only correlation but still a good one.
that’s subjective, Terai tigers have always been the biggest tigers. even the biggest tiger on record is from Terai. biggest tiger weighed in recent time is also from Terai. for years, we talked about Kaziranga tigers with nothing to work with, it was purely just speculation at best. the weights from Dudhwa seems to suggest otherwise.
if i remember correctly, Kaziranga had a female that was weighed on a Salter Brecknell 235 series hanging scale with a capacity of 300kg or 660lbs but her weight was never advertised. the Kaziranga male of 250kg was unknown to me, in fact. i recently saw it circulating around the internet. the tiger in question has some bizzare dimensions, a massive animal for sure. i’m not ruling Kaziranga out but the fact that they have the biggest skulls and everything isn’t facts. it’s all an opinion. we have underestimated Terai tigers for a good number of years. I can’t deny their existence.
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Dr.Raghunandan Chundawat having a dicussion on Kauva Ghatia’s picture with Vibhav Srivastava
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Dr.Raghunandan Chundawat worked with some of the biggest known males from Central India (Hairyfoot, Madla & Brokentooth) so a statement like this from him holds a lot of weight. on the other hand, Valmik Thappar and few others saw their biggest tiger in Kaziranga so i guess it works both ways.
The biggest Tiger on record was from C. India and that was Branders 600lb *est* monster.
Terai Tigers have been measured and weighed *hewett* and their weights were not outstanding. And in fact if I remember correctly, it was the Assam males who possessed the largest skulls of the studies but none came from Kaziranga.
Large prey=Large skulls
There’s no better Large prey biomass on earth than Kaziranga at this stage for Bengal Tigers.
I’ve already posted someone who’s seen Huge Dudhwa males and Kaziranga Males, he’s said Kaziranga males were larger. This statement was also seconded by Kanwaar who’s also seen tons of Corbett and Kaziranga males and he also said Kaziranga males were larger.
To my knowledge, Chundawat has no experience in Kazaringa and Panna is only one location in C. India and a very small population at that. The Corbett expert was just in Kanha and got to see the Neela Nala male, he said he’s as large as any male he’s seen in Corbett.
Quote:The biggest Tiger on record was from C. India and that was Branders 600lb *est* monster.
biggest tiger on record seems more like a cherry-picking match between each group of tiger fans. everyone has their own accepted standard of what they consider the biggest. Ramsay’s tiger is easily in there, 857lb kumaon beast is in there. 280kg male by Dr.Jhala is another nominee and plenty of other males. this is a never ending debate. 345kg (Old thunder male) tiger by you is also in there.
Quote:Terai Tigers have been measured and weighed *hewett* and their weights were not outstanding.
hewett’s sample size was limited and the record is now old (1938) there are other things, most of hewett’s tigers were from Corbett and Kumaon district. there’s regional differences everywhere. whether its C India or N India. for example, a Kanha male on average would be bigger than a Tadoba male. same way your average male from Dudhwa is bigger than a Corbett male. environmental factor is another big thing. two different centuries, i don’t really see the comparison. there weren’t any Dudhwa males on his list.
Quote:And in fact if I remember correctly, it was the Assam males who possessed the largest skulls of the studies but none came from Kaziranga. Large prey=Large skulls There’s no better Large prey biomass on earth than Kaziranga at this stage for Bengal Tigers.
Agreed, this is undeniable. Kaziranga does have the best prey availability but in the grand scheme of things. big genes are usually carried over for centuries. as evident in the case of Dudhwa. the 250kg male recently caught further proves this.
Quote:I’ve already posted someone who’s seen Huge Dudhwa males and Kaziranga Males, he’s said Kaziranga males were larger. This statement was also seconded by Kanwaar who’s also seen tons of Corbett and Kaziranga males and he also said Kaziranga males were larger.
I have heard vice versa from people that have visited both Kaziranga and Dudhwa so it’s just going to be a lot of going back and forth. none of this is proof. it’s just opinions. frankly speaking. I find Kaziranga tigers bigger than Corbett tigers. i’m also well aware of Kanwar Deep Juneja’s sighting of KZT023, that picture to this very day is very special to me. KZT023 was the epitome of sheer size and power.
Quote:To my knowledge, Chundawat has no experience in Kazaringa and Panna is only one location in C. India and a very small population at that. The Corbett expert was just in Kanha and got to see the Neela Nala male, he said he’s as large as any male he’s seen in Corbett.
for all we know, he could have seen tigers prior in Terai to even have an opinion on them. he wouldn’t just base his opinion based on a picture alone. he spent a great majority of time in Panna. studied Madla/Julie, Brokentooth and Hairyfoot extensively. seen and witnessed huge pugmarks. he reviewed camera trap visuals, also caught Madla/Julie/Brokentoon on video. to me that’s bigger than any opinion a naturalist holds. he was on the field literally. again everything is pure speculation. that’s why an opinion is solely just an opinion. also i have little doubt that a big male from Kanha could also match a big male from Corbett. i’ve seen the best of both sides over the years. you and i know both know this.
I have seen best of both Dudhwa and Kaziranga over the years and my opinion is firm on Thunder being the biggest male i have seen all of 2022. whether it’s true or not. i will never find out. just my two cents.
(08-30-2022, 10:38 PM)Roflcopters Wrote: I wasn’t talking about shoulder height, i was talking about a tiger’s ability to stand-up right without having to tilt his head down in discomfort. as it’s often the case with the squeeze cages. hence the name of the cage.
Quote:My guess in regards to size, no Tiger is going to outweigh the Kaziranga Cats overall. Body dimension is very hard to determine but at least when looking at their Skulls, they do seem to possess the largest Skulls of any Tiger population I've seen and generally speaking a Large skull belongs to a big cat. Obviously not the only correlation but still a good one.
that’s subjective, Terai tigers have always been the biggest tigers. even the biggest tiger on record is from Terai. biggest tiger weighed in recent time is also from Terai. for years, we talked about Kaziranga tigers with nothing to work with, it was purely just speculation at best. the weights from Dudhwa seems to suggest otherwise.
if i remember correctly, Kaziranga had a female that was weighed on a Salter Brecknell 235 series hanging scale with a capacity of 300kg or 660lbs but her weight was never advertised. the Kaziranga male of 250kg was unknown to me, in fact. i recently saw it circulating around the internet. the tiger in question has some bizzare dimensions, a massive animal for sure. i’m not ruling Kaziranga out but the fact that they have the biggest skulls and everything isn’t facts. it’s all an opinion. we have underestimated Terai tigers for a good number of years. I can’t deny their existence.
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Dr.Raghunandan Chundawat having a dicussion on Kauva Ghatia’s picture with Vibhav Srivastava
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Dr.Raghunandan Chundawat worked with some of the biggest known males from Central India (Hairyfoot, Madla & Brokentooth) so a statement like this from him holds a lot of weight. on the other hand, Valmik Thappar and few others saw their biggest tiger in Kaziranga so i guess it works both ways.
The biggest Tiger on record was from C. India and that was Branders 600lb *est* monster.
Terai Tigers have been measured and weighed *hewett* and their weights were not outstanding. And in fact if I remember correctly, it was the Assam males who possessed the largest skulls of the studies but none came from Kaziranga.
Large prey=Large skulls
There’s no better Large prey biomass on earth than Kaziranga at this stage for Bengal Tigers.
I’ve already posted someone who’s seen Huge Dudhwa males and Kaziranga Males, he’s said Kaziranga males were larger. This statement was also seconded by Kanwaar who’s also seen tons of Corbett and Kaziranga males and he also said Kaziranga males were larger.
To my knowledge, Chundawat has no experience in Kazaringa and Panna is only one location in C. India and a very small population at that. The Corbett expert was just in Kanha and got to see the Neela Nala male, he said he’s as large as any male he’s seen in Corbett.
Quote:The biggest Tiger on record was from C. India and that was Branders 600lb *est* monster.
biggest tiger on record seems more like a cherry-picking match between each group of tiger fans. everyone has their own accepted standard of what they consider the biggest. Ramsay’s tiger is easily in there, 857lb kumaon beast is in there. 280kg male by Dr.Jhala is another nominee and plenty of other males. this is a never ending debate. 345kg (Old thunder male) tiger by you is also in there.
Quote:Terai Tigers have been measured and weighed *hewett* and their weights were not outstanding.
hewett’s sample size was limited and the record is now old (1938) there are other things, most of hewett’s tigers were from Corbett and Kumaon district. there’s regional differences everywhere. whether its C India or N India. for example, a Kanha male on average would be bigger than a Tadoba male. environmental factor is another big thing. two different centuries, i don’t really see the comparison. there weren’t any Dudhwa males on his list.
Quote:And in fact if I remember correctly, it was the Assam males who possessed the largest skulls of the studies but none came from Kaziranga. Large prey=Large skulls There’s no better Large prey biomass on earth than Kaziranga at this stage for Bengal Tigers.
Agreed, this is undeniable. Kaziranga does have the best prey availability but in the grand scheme of things. big genes are usually carried over for centuries. as evident in the case of Dudhwa. the 250kg male recently caught further proves this.
Quote:I’ve already posted someone who’s seen Huge Dudhwa males and Kaziranga Males, he’s said Kaziranga males were larger. This statement was also seconded by Kanwaar who’s also seen tons of Corbett and Kaziranga males and he also said Kaziranga males were larger.
I have heard vice versa from people that have visited both Kaziranga and Dudhwa so it’s just going to be a lot of going back and forth. none of this is proof. it’s just opinions. frankly speaking. I find Kaziranga tigers bigger than Corbett tigers. i’m also well aware of Kanwar Deep Juneja’s sighting of KZT023, that picture to this very day is very special to me. KZT023 was the epitome of sheer size and power.
Quote:To my knowledge, Chundawat has no experience in Kazaringa and Panna is only one location in C. India and a very small population at that. The Corbett expert was just in Kanha and got to see the Neela Nala male, he said he’s as large as any male he’s seen in Corbett.
for all we know, he could have seen tigers prior in Terai to even have an opinion on them. he wouldn’t just base his opinion based on a picture alone. he spent a great majority of time in Panna. studied Madla/Julie, Brokentooth and Hairyfoot extensively. seen and witnessed huge pugmarks. he reviewed camera trap visuals, also caught Madla/Julie/Brokentoon on video. to me that’s bigger than any opinion a naturalist holds. he was on the field literally. again everything is pure speculation. that’s why an opinion is solely just an opinion. also i have little doubt that a big male from Kanha could also match a big male from Corbett. i’ve seen the best of both sides over the years. you and i know both know this.
I have seen best of both Dudhwa and Kaziranga over the years and my opinion is firm on Thunder being the biggest male i have seen all of 2022. whether it’s true or not. i will never find out. just my two cents.
sunderkhal maneater , i had read somewhere it was over 270kgs too .
08-31-2022, 01:28 AM( This post was last modified: 08-31-2022, 01:56 AM by Roflcopters )
Quote:it also all depends what kind of tiger they saw ,i could be wrong but i think exceptional tiger of terai belt exceeds kaziranga tigers in body length, like that of camera trapped rajaji male , kaziranga tigers look stocky and well built with big head but i havnt seen a long tiger like that from kazi .
pretty much how i feel at the moment, tigers from Dudhwa and adjacent areas like Katerniaghat are exceptionally long in overall length and height. Kaziranga tigers are more dense with big skulls but they lack the overall height and length of Dudhwa males at extreme levels imo. at parity they are probably close and at maximum figures. i’d side with Dudhwa over Kaziranga. both being the biggest groups in India. think of it like a coin with two sides. head and tail. i respect everyone’s opinion on this matter. curious to see what others think about Dudhwa vs Kaziranga.
08-31-2022, 02:28 AM( This post was last modified: 08-31-2022, 02:52 AM by Pckts )
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Someone who’s seen both and big males at that. That’s a Dudhwa male above.
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Corbett expert on NN size.
Seeing in photos or videos from 100s of yards off is fine but you can’t bank on it. Seeing in person is completely different.
If you have seen or heard different I’d love to see what they’ve said but as of now the only ones I know of who’ve seen both Terai and Kaziranga males and spoken about it are the 3 I’ve mentioned.
(08-30-2022, 10:38 PM)Roflcopters Wrote: I wasn’t talking about shoulder height, i was talking about a tiger’s ability to stand-up right without having to tilt his head down in discomfort. as it’s often the case with the squeeze cages. hence the name of the cage.
Quote:My guess in regards to size, no Tiger is going to outweigh the Kaziranga Cats overall. Body dimension is very hard to determine but at least when looking at their Skulls, they do seem to possess the largest Skulls of any Tiger population I've seen and generally speaking a Large skull belongs to a big cat. Obviously not the only correlation but still a good one.
that’s subjective, Terai tigers have always been the biggest tigers. even the biggest tiger on record is from Terai. biggest tiger weighed in recent time is also from Terai. for years, we talked about Kaziranga tigers with nothing to work with, it was purely just speculation at best. the weights from Dudhwa seems to suggest otherwise.
if i remember correctly, Kaziranga had a female that was weighed on a Salter Brecknell 235 series hanging scale with a capacity of 300kg or 660lbs but her weight was never advertised. the Kaziranga male of 250kg was unknown to me, in fact. i recently saw it circulating around the internet. the tiger in question has some bizzare dimensions, a massive animal for sure. i’m not ruling Kaziranga out but the fact that they have the biggest skulls and everything isn’t facts. it’s all an opinion. we have underestimated Terai tigers for a good number of years. I can’t deny their existence.
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Dr.Raghunandan Chundawat having a dicussion on Kauva Ghatia’s picture with Vibhav Srivastava
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Dr.Raghunandan Chundawat worked with some of the biggest known males from Central India (Hairyfoot, Madla & Brokentooth) so a statement like this from him holds a lot of weight. on the other hand, Valmik Thappar and few others saw their biggest tiger in Kaziranga so i guess it works both ways.
it also all depends what kind of tiger they saw ,i could be wrong but i think exceptional tiger of terai belt exceeds kaziranga tigers in body length, like that of camera trapped rajaji male , kaziranga tigers look stocky and well built with big head but i havnt seen a long tiger like that from kazi .
You’re talking about inches, and not many at that.
There’s absolutely no way to tell and you can’t say that any Tiger from Dudhwa looks any longer than this
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Or vice versa.
Camera traps are very skewed depending on lots of factors.
08-31-2022, 12:36 PM( This post was last modified: 08-31-2022, 12:49 PM by Roflcopters )
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I bet the photographer had no idea that he was commenting on a tiger that was way past his prime age and around 12 years of age in that particular photo. also, that’s the old thunder male. the same male you posted about in 2018. evidently, tigers at that age will lose muscle mass. i wouldn’t take the photographer’s opinion serious there if i were you. in his prime days, this male was a force to be reckoned with and as per the sources. he was considered to be the biggest male in Dudhwa during his glory days.
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Quote:Camera traps are very skewed depending on lots of factors.
I agree with you there, same thing i find with picture comparisons of animals. too many inconsistencies. i’ll try to do a best of Terai vs Assam based on camera traps in a few days when i get more time to dig into my old data base.
08-31-2022, 04:27 PM( This post was last modified: 08-31-2022, 04:48 PM by Pckts )
(08-31-2022, 12:36 PM)Roflcopters Wrote:
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I bet the photographer had no idea that he was commenting on a tiger that was way past his prime age and around 12 years of age in that particular photo. also, that’s the old thunder male. the same male you posted about in 2018. evidently, tigers at that age will lose muscle mass. i wouldn’t take the photographer’s opinion serious there if i were you. in his prime days, this male was a force to be reckoned with and as per the sources. he was considered to be the biggest male in Dudhwa during his glory days.
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Quote:Camera traps are very skewed depending on lots of factors.
I agree with you there, same thing i find with picture comparisons of animals. too many inconsistencies. i’ll try to do a best of Terai vs Assam based on camera traps in a few days when i get more time to dig into my old data base.
The photographer has many different tigers from Dudhwa/Pilibhit/Corbett and is not a casual tourist but a professional like Kanwaar.
Another shot of that male from him (thes are 3 plus years old)
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Here’s a Kaziranga male he shot
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His experience is vast (Bardiya, Pilibhit, Dudhwa, Corbett, Kaziranga, Ranthambore, Kanha, Tadoba, Kabini and Bandhavgarh) and regardless of Thunders age he still looks good there but was outsized by Kaziranga Tigers.
I bet the photographer had no idea that he was commenting on a tiger that was way past his prime age and around 12 years of age in that particular photo. also, that’s the old thunder male. the same male you posted about in 2018. evidently, tigers at that age will lose muscle mass. i wouldn’t take the photographer’s opinion serious there if i were you. in his prime days, this male was a force to be reckoned with and as per the sources. he was considered to be the biggest male in Dudhwa during his glory days.
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Quote:Camera traps are very skewed depending on lots of factors.
I agree with you there, same thing i find with picture comparisons of animals. too many inconsistencies. i’ll try to do a best of Terai vs Assam based on camera traps in a few days when i get more time to dig into my old data base.
The photographer has many different tigers from Dudhwa/Pilibhit/Corbett and is not a casual tourist but a professional like Kanwaar.
Another shot of that male from him (thes are 3 plus years old)
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Here’s a Kaziranga male he shot
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His experience is vast (Bardiya, Pilibhit, Dudhwa, Corbett, Kaziranga, Ranthambore, Kanha, Tadoba, Kabini and Bandhavgarh) and regardless of Thunders age he still looks good there but was outsized by Kaziranga Tigers.
i will myself go to kaziranga , may be next year ,location of kaziranga is such that its tough to plan and there is hardly 1-5% chance of seeing a tiger . in ranthambhore within an hour i saw fateh aka t42 in 2014 , while in corbett i went back to back two days but didn't saw any tiger there . then i went to nainital zoo to see that bijrani zone male (caught from wild) https://www.youtube.com/shorts/DT0BqQTpPX4 ....... whats the shoulder height of these tigers p111, p243 , as their height is given 1.27m and 1.28 m , is it including paw length, isn't their shoulder height is 1.10 m approx in straight line .
I bet the photographer had no idea that he was commenting on a tiger that was way past his prime age and around 12 years of age in that particular photo. also, that’s the old thunder male. the same male you posted about in 2018. evidently, tigers at that age will lose muscle mass. i wouldn’t take the photographer’s opinion serious there if i were you. in his prime days, this male was a force to be reckoned with and as per the sources. he was considered to be the biggest male in Dudhwa during his glory days.
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Quote:Camera traps are very skewed depending on lots of factors.
I agree with you there, same thing i find with picture comparisons of animals. too many inconsistencies. i’ll try to do a best of Terai vs Assam based on camera traps in a few days when i get more time to dig into my old data base.
The photographer has many different tigers from Dudhwa/Pilibhit/Corbett and is not a casual tourist but a professional like Kanwaar.
Another shot of that male from him (thes are 3 plus years old)
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Here’s a Kaziranga male he shot
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His experience is vast (Bardiya, Pilibhit, Dudhwa, Corbett, Kaziranga, Ranthambore, Kanha, Tadoba, Kabini and Bandhavgarh) and regardless of Thunders age he still looks good there but was outsized by Kaziranga Tigers.
i will myself go to kaziranga , may be next year ,location of kaziranga is such that its tough to plan and there is hardly 1-5% chance of seeing a tiger . in ranthambhore within an hour i saw fateh aka t42 in 2014 , while in corbett i went back to back two days but didn't saw any tiger there . then i went to nainital zoo to see that bijrani zone male (caught from wild) https://www.youtube.com/shorts/DT0BqQTpPX4 ....... whats the shoulder height of these tigers p111, p243 , as their height is given 1.27m and 1.28 m , is it including paw length, isn't their shoulder height is 1.10 m approx in straight line .
You’ll definitely need tons of luck in Kaziranga and a Corbett but I heard corbetts landscape is gorgeous. I got lucky to see Tigers in Kanha, Tadoba and Pench but it was never easy and certainly wasn’t a guarantee.
I respect your opinion @Pckts and i appreciate you sharing some of that info, I would still have to agree to disagree with you there, a lot of these like i said is purely opinions and hardly anything is factual and again, there’s really no way to find out. surely both tiger groups imo are the biggest so it’s not much of a debate for me since i have limited weights to work with when it comes to Kaziranga.
a 12 year old tiger way past his prime isn’t the best example imo. in the tiger world, that’s a fairly old tiger and tigers usually at that age are either close to being exiled. from fitness perspective, they are miles away from what they would be like in prime days and if we compare such a beast knowing the specifics. we would be seriously doing injustice to the tiger’s true potential.
just my two cents, i’m a firm believer that we will get our hands on more information in the years to come. this Dudhwa vs Kaziranga debate has been on mind for a while now.
Modern weights and measurements on wild tigers
