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08-12-2021, 11:33 PM( This post was last modified: 08-12-2021, 11:33 PM by Gijima )
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Saw a video of Dreadlocks and he wasn’t walking too great. If you look at his hips he has that dreaded black mark on his hips, which is usually a sign of that condition that leads to muscle wasting.
No this is definitely a condition that’s been affecting a large number of Kruger males. If you look at Shizanani, Nsuku, the Sumatra male, Monawana male… they all get this black mark on that hip bone. And then overtime that leg just completely deteriorates. They start to limp and can’t walk on that leg. Not everyone experiences it as bad… some still hang in there for a while.
“Healthy” Shizanani
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Healthy Nsuku
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A year later…
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Sometimes even the flesh gets exposed like an open wound. People always call everything TB or a Buffalo hunting accident but I think this is something really unique and you only see it in male lions and it really starts to kick in around 7-8 years old or slight later.
08-13-2021, 12:27 AM( This post was last modified: 08-13-2021, 12:29 AM by Tr1x24 )
(08-13-2021, 12:08 AM)Gijima Wrote: No this is definitely a condition that’s been affecting a large number of Kruger males. If you look at Shizanani, Nsuku, the Sumatra male, Monawana male… they all get this black mark on that hip bone. And then overtime that leg just completely deteriorates. They start to limp and can’t walk on that leg. Not everyone experiences it as bad… some still hang in there for a while.
I first taught thats TB, but its not, maybe is related to TB idk..
I was searching whole internet, what that thing is, with 0 success..
My conclusion is that this is some kind flesh eating bacteria, why it affects on hip? I have no idea.. I also have no idea why affects only male lions, i didn't see 1 female with that..
It seems that some lions dont affect, Scar Mbiri has that for years, also 5th Mpondo and Snip Tail Mpondo, both didn't get affected..
That thing kills more lions then TB..
Just on top of my head : Hip Scar, Sizanani, Nsuku, Buddy, Talamati DeLaporte, last Avoca/Giraffe, 1 of Shishangaans, 1 of Shishangenis etc..
And many who are still alive but have that like Sumatra, Limper Tumbela, Wide Nose Nwaswitshaka, oldest Renosterkoppies male, Monwana male and Skorokoro Nharhu male. I also think that Lambile Tintswalo males is starting to develop that..
Some of them still dont have that black dot, but limping at young age without any visiable injuries is prob sign of that..
For example on BYM male, you clearly see he has injured leg.
(08-13-2021, 12:08 AM)Gijima Wrote: No this is definitely a condition that’s been affecting a large number of Kruger males. If you look at Shizanani, Nsuku, the Sumatra male, Monawana male… they all get this black mark on that hip bone. And then overtime that leg just completely deteriorates. They start to limp and can’t walk on that leg. Not everyone experiences it as bad… some still hang in there for a while.
I first taught thats TB, but its not, maybe is related to TB idk..
I was searching whole internet, what that thing is, with 0 success..
My conclusion is that this is some kind flesh eating bacteria, why it affects on hip? I have no idea.. I also have no idea why affects only male lions, i didn't see 1 female with that..
It seems that some lions dont affect, Scar Mbiri has that for years, also 5th Mpondo and Snip Tail Mpondo, both didn't get affected..
That thing kills more lions then TB..
Just on top of my head : Hip Scar, Sizanani, Nsuku, Buddy, Talamati DeLaporte, last Avoca/Giraffe, 1 of Shishangaans, 1 of Shishangenis etc..
And many who are still alive but have that like Sumatra, Limper Tumbela, Wide Nose Nwaswitshaka, oldest Renosterkoppies male, Monwana male and Skorokoro Nharhu male. I also think that Lambile Tintswalo males is starting to develop that..
Some of them still dont have that black dot, but limping at young age without any visiable injuries is prob sign of that..
For example on BYM male, you clearly see he has injured leg.
This is really a problem..
I'm very sure it's just hip dysplasia, explains why some lions with that injury can live for years while others completely lose use of that leg. If it's a really severe case of hip dysplasia, the leg is gone very quickly. And since they can't use that leg because of the pain, they end up under utilizing that leg which causes all the muscle to atrophy.
08-13-2021, 01:18 AM( This post was last modified: 08-13-2021, 01:21 AM by Tr1x24 )
(08-13-2021, 12:59 AM)sik94 Wrote: I'm very sure it's just hip dysplasia, explains why some lions with that injury can live for years while others completely lose use of that leg. If it's a really severe case of hip dysplasia, the leg is gone very quickly. And since they can't use that leg because of the pain, they end up under utilizing that leg which causes all the muscle to atrophy.
Then why some lions who got black dot dont limp? If they got hip dysplasia..
Also it doesnt explain black dot and flesh eating :
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HairyBelly had hip dysplasia, because of age, look him walk towards the end..
Lions with hip injuries may have some muscle atrophy but are overall fine. Even females like Purple Eye in the recent Mala Mala video has some muscle loss on a leg she injured but she’s not wasting away with open wounds on her hip. This is a very specific condition that eats away the muscle (legs but also the overall condition of the lion) and I have never seen any females with it.
The possibility of being a bacteria, usually dark spots is related to dead tissue. There is a disease that occurs in cattle with the name "black leg" in which, when infected by the bacteria, they start to develop lameness, fever and loss of bone tissue that will die leaving a black mark due to the bacteria gives the name black leg. Anyway it seems to be more than complex than dysplasia and quite common maybe it comes from food. The local veterinarians should already have an idea of what it might be, my hope is for it to be a dysplasia since in case of a bacteria it would be much more complicated to solve
(08-13-2021, 01:30 AM)Gavskrr Wrote: The possibility of being a bacteria, usually dark spots is related to dead tissue. There is a disease that occurs in cattle with the name "black leg" in which, when infected by the bacteria, they start to develop lameness, fever and loss of bone tissue that will die leaving a black mark due to the bacteria gives the name black leg. Anyway it seems to be more than complex than dysplasia and quite common maybe it comes from food. The local veterinarians should already have an idea of what it might be, my hope is for it to be a dysplasia since in case of a bacteria it would be much more complicated to solve
(08-13-2021, 01:30 AM)Gavskrr Wrote: The possibility of being a bacteria, usually dark spots is related to dead tissue. There is a disease that occurs in cattle with the name "black leg" in which, when infected by the bacteria, they start to develop lameness, fever and loss of bone tissue that will die leaving a black mark due to the bacteria gives the name black leg. Anyway it seems to be more than complex than dysplasia and quite common maybe it comes from food. The local veterinarians should already have an idea of what it might be, my hope is for it to be a dysplasia since in case of a bacteria it would be much more complicated to solve
Yea prob something similar.
It was also prob spread in Kruger like TB with buffaloes etc, which means solution for this is almost none..
I mean we dont even know if veterians are aware of this..
Also it looks like recent disease, with more and more lions get affected..
(08-13-2021, 01:18 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote: Then why some lions who got black dot dont limp
Because cases of mild hip dysplasia don't always show physical symptoms, sometimes there isn't even a limp at all.
It could also be arthritis, the symptoms of arthritis and hip dysplasia are similar but arthritis can cause irritation to the skin around the joint unlike hip dysplasia, which I assume can develop into those dark spots on the hip area.
