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01-19-2019, 08:16 AM( This post was last modified: 01-19-2019, 08:22 AM by Rage2277 )
(01-19-2019, 02:29 AM)chaos Wrote:
(01-18-2019, 11:48 PM)Amnon242 Wrote: "White" kruger. Huge...even though he doesnt look like that in this photo (not mine)
This lion appears to have a belly fold, which is indicative of an Indian lion.
Good series of pics.
the belly fold isn't the best way to tell the difference between asiatic and african lions,their faces look different and asiatics tend to be more boxy in build..among other things
(01-18-2019, 11:48 PM)Amnon242 Wrote: "White" kruger. Huge...even though he doesnt look like that in this photo (not mine)
This lion appears to have a belly fold, which is indicative of an Indian lion.
Good series of pics.
the belly fold isn't the best way to tell the difference between asiatic and african lions,their faces look different and asiatics tend to be more boxy in build..among other things
I agree. This lion does have the "African lion look"
(01-18-2019, 10:05 PM)Amnon242 Wrote: White kruger (very huge, my estimate around 250 kg) and tigress snarling at each other.
When it comes to this picture, I have quite interesting story. The owner told me, that before the arrival of kruger lion and lioness, there were east african lions in that enclosure (these lions are not huge, they were like 160-170 kg)*. Couple of white tigers in next enclosure (subadult male and female) had quite neutral attitude towards them and vice versa. But when the krugers arrived, the situation has changed. Prime krugers vs. subadult tigers (about 2yo I think). That male kruger can be around 250 kg. For some months the tigers were just lying on the ground, carefully observing the lions...but finally they got used to them and now there is a balance of power between them (another thing is that tigers grew up). It seems that in comparison to lions, tigers are much more conservative when it comes to establishing social relationships. IMO the main reason for this "shyness" is that posiible conflict may result in injury and this has much worse consequences for solitary predator.
* later only one old male stayed in the enclosure, the lionesses were moved to younger male. The old male died at the age of 24 (I saw him 1 month before his death).
01-19-2019, 04:07 PM( This post was last modified: 01-19-2019, 04:08 PM by johnny rex )
(01-18-2019, 10:05 PM)Amnon242 Wrote: White kruger (very huge, my estimate around 250 kg) and tigress snarling at each other.
Did you observed those animals personally? From your observation, can you guesstimate which animals possessed the largest skulls and tallest shoulder height? Is it the lions or the tigers?
01-19-2019, 04:27 PM( This post was last modified: 01-19-2019, 04:31 PM by Amnon242 )
(01-19-2019, 04:07 PM)johnny rex Wrote:
(01-18-2019, 10:05 PM)Amnon242 Wrote: White kruger (very huge, my estimate around 250 kg) and tigress snarling at each other.
Did you observed those animals personally? From your observation, can you guesstimate which animals possessed the largest skulls and tallest shoulder height? Is it the lions or the tigers?
Yes, I have seen those animals in persona many times. Biggest skull...perhaps that white kruger, but that white bengal could be close. But I dont really know and I have never been interested in this. For me they all have basically same skulls (with somewhat different shapes)
Shoulder height: amur tigers and white bengals are obviously taller and longer than east african lions (at least in this zoo). But that kruger male is comparable to them when it comes to shoulder height. But tigers (especially amur) are longer than him.
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