There is a world somewhere between reality and fiction. Although ignored by many, it is very real and so are those living in it. This forum is about the natural world. Here, wild animals will be heard and respected. The forum offers a glimpse into an unknown world as well as a room with a view on the present and the future. Anyone able to speak on behalf of those living in the emerald forest and the deep blue sea is invited to join.
01-19-2018, 08:51 AM( This post was last modified: 01-19-2018, 08:52 AM by Jeffrey )
(01-17-2018, 12:34 PM)peter Wrote:
(01-17-2018, 04:01 AM)Jeffrey Wrote: A captive Lion and Tiger attack a horse during a circus. One of kany reasons I'm against animals in circuses . (noticeble their limited hunting skills in comparison with their wild once)
The video was posted by PC not so long ago. It resulted in the exchange on this page. Just saying.
Opinion on what you saw appreciated, Jeffrey. Thanks for the input. My advice is to use another source of information. The Daily Mail, to put it mildly, isn't the most reliable of newspapers. Reading it online can have consequences for your computer as well (adds).
As to the circus in China. Based on what I have, chances are that a ban is likely in the near future.
A wild cat needs a lot of time to learn how to hunt. Only those who graduate will survive. Captive big cats, as you noticed, are mere shadows of their wild relatives.
The poor horse had a scare, but it did very well. I've seen mixed acts in Europe. It takes an experienced trainer to do it right. Accidents between captive big cats and large captive herbivores were few and far between, but they happened. In the great majority of cases, the cats failed. Half a century ago, when quite a few had been caught in the wild, things were different.
Exactly.
And thanks for the information, really appreciate it.
@Amnon242 Yes, Prague zoo is involved in the breeding programme.
I did some research & found out that Prague zoo has recieved a male asiatic lion, Sohan from Paignton zoo, England recently in November 2017.
(Source)<Check that page.
01-21-2018, 02:48 PM( This post was last modified: 01-21-2018, 02:52 PM by Rishi )
(01-21-2018, 02:23 PM)Amnon242 Wrote: Yes, he is from Zoo Ostrava (Czech Republic). BTW I think that Jamvan and his females are brother and sisters (?)...
Indian lions have been kept in the zoo in Ostrava since 2006 when a young male (* 2003) was brought from the zoo in Paignton. During the autumn of 2006, a female (* 2003) from the Eskilstuna Zoo in Sweden joined. Lion couple together lived harmoniously for several years, unfortunately failed to multiply it. In a special examination carried out by the staff of the Berlin Institute (IZW) in 2010, it was found that a female has unoperable ovarian cysts that prevent it from being trapped. That is why, at the recommendation of the EEP retention coordinator for Indian lions in 2011, we brought a new young lion (* 2007) from Rotterdam.
However, even youngsters have not been able to breed youngsters. In 2013, the animals were examined by colleagues from IZW and the results were positive in this case - both animals are well and fruitful. The female has since birthed twice (for the first time on 9 March 2015, the second time on 8 January 2016). Each time it was one female (female), lively and developed, which the mother had cleansed, but she did not have enough extra experience to take care of her baby. In both cases the cub died on the second day. Because it is a very rare and endangered species in the wild, any unnatural human intervention is excluded when rearing young animals. As in the case of other beasts, even in the case of lions, the first litters of the female are often unable to bred, but gain valuable parental experience and skills through gradual learning. This is in line with the lifecycle of many mammalian species who are taught their parental responsibilities.
Breeders promise to relocate the Ostrava male to help Indian lions both in Prague and Ostrava. The male left with the consent of the Indian lion breeding coordinator at a time when his partner is hopeful and he is burned and needs enough rest for the anticipated birth and subsequent offspring of the young. At the same time, the Ostrava male can be linked to Prague females in the meantime. We believe that thanks to this cooperation we can wait for the first litter of Indian lion born in the Czech Republic - whether in Ostrava or in Prague.
No... Jamvan , the two females Ginni & Suchi are unrelated breeding pair. But they grew up together. This has resulted in a pseudo brother-sister effect, very commonly seen in captivity, where the animals don't mate if they are kept together forever (like what happened in Ostrava zoo).
That's why that lion Sohan was brought to Prague. Basically to make Jamvan feel competed against him.
01-23-2018, 09:55 PM( This post was last modified: 01-23-2018, 10:06 PM by Pckts )
My favorite big cat page on IG is this one, he does a fabulous job of taking care of his cats, they all are by far the best specimens I have seen in any semi captive situation. He makes sure to let them live as close to a wild life as possible, their enrichment and his work ethic produce amazing looking cats. This is the difference between cats who work and ones that do not, it's clearly visible to the naked eye.
Rishi: As for pure Asian lions outside India: The Prague Zoo celebrates another important international success. Several years of complicated diplomatic negotiations were culminated in the arrival of rare lions from the Indian state of Gujarat. For the first time in more than twenty years, Europe managed to import pure Indian lions directly from their homeland. Jamvana, Sucha and Ginni can see the visitors of the Prague zoo in the Pavilion of Beasts and Reptiles.
That's probably the reason why I originally wrote that Asian lions outside India are very rare
01-25-2018, 07:26 AM( This post was last modified: 01-25-2018, 09:58 AM by Rishi )
Before Prague, in the early 90s, three European zoos had imported pure Asiatic lions from India for the last time. London Zoo obtained 2 pairs; the Zürich Zoologischer Garten 1 pair; and the Helsinki Zoo 1 male and 2 females.
After Prague zoo, Zoological Society of London imported a pair called Amal & Toral in December 2016. Can't find any pics of them though...
(01-25-2018, 03:52 AM)Amnon242 Wrote: Paris, predecessor of Jamvan, also asiatic
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The lions like Jamvan they're giving away now are way below par (pretty mean of Sakkarbag Breeding Center), but Paris too looks barely average, couldn't have been more than 180 kilos...
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(01-16-2018, 01:50 PM)Betty Wrote: So that the victims do not speak, there is no crime in this world. And if all those who suffer are silent, the world will become a paradise full of happiness and joy.
The perfect world exists only in fairy tales, Cruel things have been happening, even if unwilling to face, it still exists. Check it again, ''Zoos, Circuses, Safaris ... A Gallery of Captivity.''
The Official trailer for Blood Lions, a documentary that exposes the terrible truth behind the predator breeding and canned lion hunting industries in South Africa.
oh, you of all people can just shut the fuck up. Literally ALL you ever post is stuff from these animal farms.
(01-17-2018, 04:01 AM)Jeffrey Wrote: A captive Lion and Tiger attack a horse during a circus. One of kany reasons I'm against animals in circuses . (noticeble their limited hunting skills in comparison with their wild once)
Oh...no no....apparently, we're supposed to "appreciate that" sort of stuff.
See no evil, hear no evil is one option. If we don't want to know about it and select at the gate, chances are it will continue. If it's noticed and discussed, things will change sooner or later. This the reason we need to discuss the black eye. I know you strongly disagree, but Betty has a point. There's no need for disrespect. If you disagree, use arguments. Way more difficult, but interesting.
Same for your summary of the effort to explain our position regarding the black eye. I know you disagree, but there's no need to enter sarcasm.
In the end, the aim of all of us is to prevent crappers learning at the cost of those who can't defend themselves.
The disagreement is about the method used to get there. I could ask Mike Tyson to explain our position, but chances are the authorities will disagree. A debate is slow, but it will have more effect. It is about consensus and laws.
Is war terrible? Or do I need to constantly post pictures of dead children and mutliated, bloody bodies? Ya know....for "discussion" and "learning" purposes. Don't insult my intelligence. And don't go throwing around labels either. At what point did I ever come close to sarcasm with what I said? Makes me think you don't even know what sarcasm is if you're claiming I was using it. I wasn't. Not even close. By any definition.
Initially I was surprised at how well received these types of photos were here. Then I was even more surprised at how aggressively you all defended it and somehow twisted yourselves into pretzels trying to make ME out to be the bad person for even pointing it out. Incredible. AND THEN....as if that weren't enough, somebody, a mod I think, actually directed me to a thread that show WOLVES BEING FUCKING SKINNED ALIVE. So just when I thought the "Zoo's, Circuses, Safaris A Gallery of Captivity" had crossed a line and need to be reigned in...oh, hey, look over here. We actually have something a whole lot worse. Come take a look!
But you mods/owners have proven time and time again you can't take criticism or constructive feedback, so I'm sure I'll get suspended or banned now.
Zoos, Circuses, Safaris: A Gallery of Captivity
