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09-05-2016, 01:27 AM( This post was last modified: 09-05-2016, 01:46 AM by Amnon242 )
Today I have been to zoo Usti nad Labem (beautifull congo lion called Leon) and spoke to big cat breeder (30+ years of experience). He told me that leopards and snow leopards are shy and try to avoid confontation. Lionesses are quite friendly, but male lions are bold and would confront breeders or other animals at any given opportunuty. On the other hand if you are (psychologically) firm enough, there is a chance that you could repell such an attack. Tigers are most intelligent but unpredictable. According to his opinion the most agressive and dangerous felids are jaguars...he said that jaguars are true killers.
(08-29-2016, 02:55 AM)Amnon242 Wrote: this is barbary
Pretty cool pics of the Asiatic lions, are you getting those shots in person, I'm wondering if you notice any differences in their anatomy compared to the African lions, or are they just smaller?
The pic of the Barbary is pretty cool to, do you have the link on there showing its an actual Barbary?
09-05-2016, 02:25 AM( This post was last modified: 09-05-2016, 02:26 AM by Amnon242 )
(09-05-2016, 02:00 AM)Blackleopard Wrote:
(08-29-2016, 02:55 AM)Amnon242 Wrote: this is barbary
Pretty cool pics of the Asiatic lions, are you getting those shots in person, I'm wondering if you notice any differences in their anatomy compared to the African lions, or are they just smaller?
The pic of the Barbary is pretty cool to, do you have the link on there showing its an actual Barbary?
Thank You! Some of these photos are made by me and I have seen most of those lions in persona. I dont think that asiatic lions are smaller, I think they are more stocky. Interesting is that all asiatic lions look the same, while there are differences between african lions (size, body construction, mane).
That page doesnt say that its a barbary lion, but that zoo always had barbary lions....and they have barbary lions even now.
(08-29-2016, 02:55 AM)Amnon242 Wrote: this is barbary
Pretty cool pics of the Asiatic lions, are you getting those shots in person, I'm wondering if you notice any differences in their anatomy compared to the African lions, or are they just smaller?
The pic of the Barbary is pretty cool to, do you have the link on there showing its an actual Barbary?
Thank You! Some of these photos are made by me and I have seen most of those lions in persona. I dont think that asiatic lions are smaller, I think they are more stocky. Interesting is that all asiatic lions look the same, while there are differences between african lions (size, body construction, mane).
That page doesnt say that its a barbary lion, but that zoo always had barbary lions....and they have barbary lions even now.
Really, I thought the African lions were more thicker or stocky? Maybe it depends on the breed, Ive seen some pretty stout lions at some places, most of the tigers though seem bigger, or at least a lot longer. What do you think of the Barbary lions size, are they any bigger from what you've seen, a lot of posters Ive seen are acting like their the biggest?
(08-29-2016, 02:55 AM)Amnon242 Wrote: this is barbary
Pretty cool pics of the Asiatic lions, are you getting those shots in person, I'm wondering if you notice any differences in their anatomy compared to the African lions, or are they just smaller?
The pic of the Barbary is pretty cool to, do you have the link on there showing its an actual Barbary?
Thank You! Some of these photos are made by me and I have seen most of those lions in persona. I dont think that asiatic lions are smaller, I think they are more stocky. Interesting is that all asiatic lions look the same, while there are differences between african lions (size, body construction, mane).
That page doesnt say that its a barbary lion, but that zoo always had barbary lions....and they have barbary lions even now.
Really, I thought the African lions were more thicker or stocky? Maybe it depends on the breed, Ive seen some pretty stout lions at some places, most of the tigers though seem bigger, or at least a lot longer. What do you think of the Barbary lions size, are they any bigger from what you've seen, a lot of posters Ive seen are acting like their the biggest?
As I said before, according to me, there are differences between african lions...some are robust, some are lean, some are tall, some are short. To me asiatic lions look all the same - like one lion....stocky lion. Barbary lions: hard to judge, some are tall and lean, some are tall and also robust but I have also seen an adult barbary lion who was probably the smallest adult lion I have ever seen. Anyway on average Id say that barbary lions are somewhat heavier than others. But I have no data on that, just my estimate based on visual impression. And another point is that all these huge babary i have seen are relatives, one breed, descendants from one really huge male.
Tigers: as I wrote couple of posts before, today I spoke to a big cat breeder. I asked him about the average weight of male amur tigers (captive) and he told me that it is certainly over 200 kg and that they are certainly bigger than lions (who are usually 150-200 Kg).
Yeah, I think the tigers are bigger, there's some huge ones out there, at least most are probably on average. Do you know the species of African lion that is thinner, perhaps they vary in design because of the vast varied environment and terrain of the African continent?
I think the tigers have the most muscular arms of any of the bigcats in my opinion, although I don't know if their the strongest for over all strength, its hard to know with the lion as they have the mane covering a lot of the anatomy. I think the leopards the fastest though, most agile.
(09-05-2016, 01:27 AM)Amnon242 Wrote: Today I have been to zoo Usti nad Labem (beautifull congo lion called Leon) and spoke to big cat breeder (30+ years of experience). He told me that leopards and snow leopards are shy and try to avoid confontation. Lionesses are quite friendly, but male lions are bold and would confront breeders or other animals at any given opportunuty. On the other hand if you are (psychologically) firm enough, there is a chance that you could repell such an attack. Tigers are most intelligent but unpredictable. According to his opinion the most agressive and dangerous felids are jaguars...he said that jaguars are true killers.
This seems to be the overwhelming opionion,
"Jaguars are killers"!
(09-05-2016, 01:27 AM)Amnon242 Wrote: Today I have been to zoo Usti nad Labem (beautifull congo lion called Leon) and spoke to big cat breeder (30+ years of experience). He told me that leopards and snow leopards are shy and try to avoid confontation. Lionesses are quite friendly, but male lions are bold and would confront breeders or other animals at any given opportunuty. On the other hand if you are (psychologically) firm enough, there is a chance that you could repell such an attack. Tigers are most intelligent but unpredictable. According to his opinion the most agressive and dangerous felids are jaguars...he said that jaguars are true killers.
This seems to be the overwhelming opionion,
"Jaguars are killers"!
They are quite the big cat.
That's interesting about the jaguars, had not heard that before, they do seem pretty tough, perhaps they'd beat a leopard in a head to head, I still think though the leopard would have the edge in agility and speed over the Jag. That doesn't surprise me about the male lions, from what Ive seen posted on various sites, they seem like the toughest cats as far as a mental disposition. I have heard though, the black panther is the most ferocious as far as any bigcat.
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