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Which are stronger pound for pound Herbivores or Carnivores?

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I have been wondering, which are more muscular or stronger pound for pound generally, herbivores or carnivores? In my view herbivores must be stronger because of the following reason.

The energy obtained by all living organisms on the earth is from sun. The energy from the sun is taken up by plants, photosynthesis occurs and energy is produced. Not all energy is utilized by plants. Some of it is wasted as heat. So, plants are the biggest living things probably on this planet as they utilize maximum energy from sun. Similarly, herbivores which consume plants utilize it for energy production. Even here some of the energy is wasted during the process. So, they must be the second biggest living organisms on the earth. Carnivores feed on herbivores even here some of energy is wasted. So, the amount of energy available for herbivores is not available for carnivores. So, I feel herbivores must be more stronger even pound for pound i suppose. Please state your opinions on this.
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Impossible question to answer, too many factors come into play to try and come up with a "corrrect answer"
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(11-30-2016, 07:51 PM)Pckts Wrote: Impossible question to answer, too many factors come into play to try and come up with a "corrrect answer"

I agree; there are no right answers.
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( This post was last modified: 11-30-2016, 08:50 PM by parvez )

Thanks @Pckts and @brotherbear, I think herbivores have some handicapped features like vision, hearing ability etc. They are handicapped in one or other senses. This may be because they do not need those senses in particular, while feeding on plants. While, carnivores do not have such handicapped senses. As they must be alert for stalking and killing prey. I think that is the reason why they are able to hunt herbivores in addition to having weapons like claws, canines etc. Or else the sheer muscle strength in both of them does not seem to vary by too much margins.
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Body morphology, muscle and weight distribution, lifestyle differences and habitat will all play distinct roles.
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Agreed.
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Buffalo's are strongest animals.

But, just imagine One Ton Tiger/Lion Vs One Ton Gaur/Water buffalo.   Funny


Case close... Always Carnivore.

btw There is no clarity and connection in your question and writing.
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Since we have delved into the realms of one-ton tigers: https://animalcorner.co.uk/animals/rhinoceros-beetle/
 
Rhinoceros beetles are the strongest animals on the planet, proportionally. They can lift up to 850 times their own weight. Adults feed on nectar, plant sap and fruit.
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Buffalo are the strongest animal?
 In what regard?
Certainly not lb for lb and certainly not over all.
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@Vinay , if you do not understand something from a post please frame your sentiment in a nicer manner.
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Stronger pound for pound well thats a tough question to answer.
Incase of large mammals we need to study the muscle composition and bone composition of each of the animals to come to a conclusion.
But still it will be a tough one to answer like for example an elephant doesnt need fast twitch muscles like a cheetah, coz their lifestyle and body structure are completely different.
Another example is a whale can have higher muscle mass than any land mammal for its size, but it doesnt mean they are stronger.
One more example is insects can be very strong for its size compared to mammals, reptiles etc, but an elephant sized insect cannot even move or even exist.


A generalised comparison among all animals will never work.
I would say it will be better to stick to group or genus when comparing for strength like bovids, canids, ursids etc (like which is the strongest of all bovids etc)
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@brotherbear  at-least read the heading ..... Herbivores and Carnivors. So, how this idiotic rhino-beetles come into picture?? 

@Pckts 

For me, Buffalo's are perfect strong Herbivorous and Tigers are perfect Carnivorous/Cats at average weight category.So i compared them. btw Which animals Stronger for U?? give me examples...

Sir @tigerluver ji Is this nicer enough??   Joking
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Rhinoceros beetles are the strongest animals on the planet, proportionally. They can lift up to 850 times their own weight. Adults feed on nectar, plant sap and fruit. Thus: they are herbivores. 
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(12-01-2016, 01:43 AM)brotherbear Wrote: Rhinoceros beetles are the strongest animals on the planet, proportionally. They can lift up to 850 times their own weight. Adults feed on nectar, plant sap and fruit. Thus: they are herbivores. 

That honor belongs to the Dung Beetle actually.
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(12-01-2016, 01:37 AM)Vinay Wrote: @brotherbear  at-least read the heading ..... Herbivores and Carnivors. So, how this idiotic rhino-beetles come into picture?? 

@Pckts 

For me, Buffalo's are perfect strong Herbivorous and Tigers are perfect Carnivorous/Cats at average weight category.So i compared them. btw Which animals Stronger for U?? give me examples...

Sir @tigerluver ji Is this nicer enough??   Joking
Whats the criteria?
Pure Strength?
Nothing comes close to an Elephant then Rhino then Hippo then Some bovines and some carnivores.

Some reptiles would also be on that list, Constrictors and Crocs/gators

In the water is a different story.
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