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Which are stronger pound for pound Herbivores or Carnivores?

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(12-05-2016, 08:01 AM)parvez Wrote: Polar do you mean tigers have more fast twitch muscle fibres in forearm than that of a grizzly bear? But the pictures on anatomy seem to show otherwise. Even the behaviour of tigers while fighting and walking I have observed indicate as if they have fast twitch fibres only till elbow but anyhow they are CATS always ready to OUTSMART every animal around them.

First off, bears are quite smart on their own, just as smart as big cats. That picture of the statue with the bear's muscular structure you posted was a better comparison than a few pictures. The ones drawing these pictures don't really seem to know the exact muscular differences between the two, and only get the muscular anatomy but not the muscular fiber distribution right. Real and skinned specimens of both a tiger and brown bear (both naturally dead, of course) are needed to prove your point. But I still think that a tiger has more fast-twitch fibers in all of its arm length.
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Yes I accepted that tigers have more fast twitch fibres. That's why I said their behaviour and their postures during fight are as if they have fast twitch fibres only till elbow though the truth is they have them all over their arms. This is what I meant.
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( This post was last modified: 12-07-2016, 08:08 AM by parvez )

With the exception of tigers, herbivores in general seem to be the stronger ones pound for pound with beetles in first place, rhinos in the mammalian category, whales in the oceans etc. Anyways, it would be good to run some quality discussions on this until their strengths are proven scientifically.does anyone have information on hoof strength studies in gaur? I was unable to find them while searching in the web. Please give if any, thanks.
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Strength of water buffaloes

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( This post was last modified: 12-08-2016, 09:53 PM by Pckts )

Water buffalo against a lion?
Also, I'm curious as to what gave you the conclusion that herbivores are stronger than carnivores lb for lb?
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( This post was last modified: 12-08-2016, 11:42 PM by Polar )

@parvez,

First off, this thread only includes mammalian carnivores and herbivores, not strong dinosaurs or godlike-strong beetle insects.

Second, water buffaloes are a little more than three times heavier than an adult, male lion (400-pounds) on average. So of course they will be stronger in almost all aspects. We are talking about weight parity here.

Third, carnivores have countless advantages (that I listed on one of my earlier posts) than even slightly larger herbivores, so it comes to reason that carnivores will almost always be stronger than herbivores pound-for-pound, the possible exception being canids (lack of arm use) and house cats (weaker than bobcat pound-for-pound).
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I have posted the details in previous posts you can check pckts. Also you responded very quickly I posted those points days before and...
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( This post was last modified: 12-09-2016, 11:15 AM by parvez )

I was just discussing the strengthof water buffaloes. Nothing more. I did not compare them to lions. Nor did I say they are stronger pound for pound than lions or other carnivores. Also I was not merely discussing mammals. I was discussing all kinds of animals on whole.
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( This post was last modified: 12-09-2016, 11:53 AM by Polar )

(12-09-2016, 11:08 AM)parvez Wrote: I was just discussing the strengthof water buffaloes. Nothing more. I did not compare them to lions. Nor did I say they are stronger pound for pound than lions or other carnivores. Also I was not merely discussing mammals. I was discussing all kinds of animals on whole.

Oh, well if you want to go past mammals, then that's fine. But when I initially registered "herbivores or carnivores", I thought in terms of their correct mammalian designations.
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If we're going past mammals, than this thread should have been finished within a few posts instead of a few pages: some of the beetles within the beetle family (rhino beetle) can easily win this.

But only with mammals, it is a complicated issue but most would aim more towards carnivores for your question's answer.
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@manedmauler As far as I know, the thread is about establishing who's stronger between carnivores or herbivores.

Not trying to establish who is stronger/superior between lion or tiger, which went for several posts now.

As we don't want this to turn in a lion vs tiger thing, please just make your points about the lion and its feats without the "superior than tiger" added remarks.
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( This post was last modified: 01-06-2017, 07:53 AM by peter )

This thread is about carnivore and herbivore strength. Not something else. The debate on tigers and lions ends here and now.

What was posted will be deleted.

Anyone ignoring the message will get an official warning.
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( This post was last modified: 01-06-2017, 08:14 AM by peter )

MAULER

Every member of WildFact knows we don't do lion versus tiger. The reason is they are aware of the forum rules.

You are not, which means you didn't read them. If you did, you decided to ignore them. 
  
You also ignored warnings from members about the lion-tiger crap.

You ignored a mod (Majingilane).

You operate from the dark. That's five points deducted in one day only.

I get to intentional. I like intentions too.

The difference between us is I'm co-owner.

This is an official warning.

If you ignore the warning, a ban will follow.
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Agreed with peter. This thread is not about lion vs tiger. That debate is long over and everything has been proved. Please dont ruin the discussion. It is about herbivores and carnivores strength. Chose other forums for your discussion.
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( This post was last modified: 01-06-2017, 10:04 AM by manedmauler )

(01-06-2017, 08:36 AM)parvez Wrote: Agreed with peter. This thread is not about lion vs tiger. That debate is long over and everything has been proved. Please dont ruin the discussion. It is about herbivores and carnivores strength. Chose other forums for your discussion.


Whoa what happened to all the post, you guys don't do any comparison on strength between the bigcats, or something, I mean they're both pretty amazing animals in their own right, the differences in each animal is what makes it fascinating, Like the bobcat or lynx, wolf fox.
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