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Tigers of Ranthambore & Western India Landscape
Tigers of Ranthambore & Western India Landscape
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Tigers of Ranthambore & Western India Landscape
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  *This image is copyright of its original author Subhro Bhattacharya-Sub-adult male tiger on a shivering cold winter morning stroll.. Ranthambhore, Dec’18
 (09-02-2019, 07:18 PM)Rage2277 Wrote: that's interesting i always thought there was alot of inbreeding like most areas,many of the southern indian tigers seem to look related to me,well that's good to know there's some genetic variation @Ashutosh The branching photograph of genetic markers and haplogroup indicators of various subpopulations of Bengal tiger is mentioned on the thread “In what categories can Bengal tiger be divided”. Post #32 is where you can find the chart. (09-02-2019, 08:04 PM)Ashutosh Wrote:(09-02-2019, 07:18 PM)Rage2277 Wrote: that's interesting i always thought there was alot of inbreeding like most areas,many of the southern indian tigers seem to look related to me,well that's good to know there's some genetic variation @Ashutosh Would tigers in Pakistan (which used to be the northwestern part of India), including what is now Bahawalpur, have been closely related to tigers in what is now northwestern India, including Ranthambhore National Park in the State of Rajasthan? 2 heads of tigers with a stuffed lionin Bahawalpur Zoo: Map of tigers' distribution by Nowell and Jackson (1996):  (09-03-2019, 04:46 PM)BorneanTiger Wrote: Would tigers in Pakistan (which used to be the northwestern part of India), including what is now Bahawalpur, have been closely related to tigers in what is now northwestern India, including Ranthambhore National Park in the State of Rajasthan? Not impossible, or atleast some genetic similarity is certainly likely with Terai as well as the old Sariska population, not the present ones brought in from Ranth. Ranthambore tigers are remnants of Gwalior tigers, the forest complex of northern Madhya Pradesh. The last sentence of your pic says "Last known tiger in Pakistan shot in 1906 near Panjnad, Bahawalpur state". The Punjnad area (red circle) is where all main tributaries of Indus converge & meet. There the princely state of Bahawalpur would have formed the westernmost point of tigers' estimated historical range (orange line)...  *This image is copyright of its original author ...Frankly i didn't even know there were tigers there. Presently there is one last 1100km² patch of natural vegetation called Lal Suhanra National Park Biosphere Reserve (map location) still intact at that area of Pakistan. The place had rhino once, presently holds a captive pair gifted by Nepal in semi-wild enclosure. They didn't breed though. From photos it looks like a zoo-cum-breeding centre for blackbucks etc. @ (09-04-2019, 03:29 PM)Rishi Wrote:(09-03-2019, 04:46 PM)BorneanTiger Wrote: Would tigers in Pakistan (which used to be the northwestern part of India), including what is now Bahawalpur, have been closely related to tigers in what is now northwestern India, including Ranthambhore National Park in the State of Rajasthan? ... Westernmost part of the Bengal tiger's range, apparently. Go further west into Afghanistan and Iran nearby, and you come into the former range of the Caspian tiger, and that's what strikes me, like I mentioned before, that the ranges of the Bengal and Caspian tigers were that close, yet the Caspian tiger isn't closely related to the Bengal tiger, but is genetically the same subspecies as the Amur tiger, and you might remember what I said about the Mughal Empire having occupied parts of the ranges of both the Bengal and Caspian tigers, including what is now Afghanistan, Pakistan and India. An illustration of a tigerbeing hunted from the Hamir Hath: Ala-uddin and Mahima hunting, Punjab Hills, India, circa 1790: http://www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/ecat...ot.13.html  *This image is copyright of its original author Map of the Mughal Empire by Britannica:  *This image is copyright of its original author
(09-05-2019, 10:34 AM)BorneanTiger Wrote: An illustration of a tigerbeing hunted from the Hamir Hath: Ala-uddin and Mahima hunting, Punjab Hills, India, circa 1790: http://www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/ecat...ot.13.html Bro the Mughals did a lot of canned hunting, this is clearly one such case. Just look again at the picture your shared... The bowman is having sex! That's how much of a real hunt it was, could even be some poetic/bardic depiction. To draw anything regarding natural history from sources like these, it takes a lot of double-checking. Although I have come across account stating tiger presence near Multan.
@BorneanTiger, presence of tigers in present day Pakistan was observed till late 1800s when they were functionally extinct. Actually, human history is one major reason why they were reduced to such a state. The Indus valley has been continually occupied since 7000 BC and therefore, forest has been continuously cleared out for human settlement, resources and farming. The landscape that tigers inhabited in Pakistan is sandwiched between the thar desert and Sistan balochistan area. Very comparable to area surrounding NILE in egypt as area around the river is highly fertile but other than that it is very arid in the sindh province.
Plus the Indus has changed course many times in history(before 1819 earthquake it used to flow into rann of kutchh). So, the tigers from Ranthambore or other parts of Rajasthan couldn’t have had a direct link to tigers in Pakistan. Instead, what is more likely is that tigers from Punjab were actually related to the ones in Pakistan (there weren’t many even in the last millenium) just like Caspian tigers were only found in remote areas and were functionally extinct from human settled areas. As for the Caspian and Bengal not coming close, that is very much down to geography. Either would have to cross Balochistan to reach the other in the southern part which is not possible for such a large animal as an arid area like that doesn’t have any decent prey base or camouflage. On the northern side, the Karakoram and Hindu Kush are high but again, not enough food to sustain crossing over. I found a couple of reports of Indian tigers found in Pakistan (not sure how credible they are because in one the tiger only “bites” a cow) https://www.dawn.com/news/1122928 https://tribune.com.pk/story/129132/tiger-crosses-indian-border-into-mithi-mauls-two-villagers/?amp=1 On a side note, a seal from Indus Valley from 2500 BC shows a tiger, rhino and asiatic water buffalo. So, the landscape in this area was matching those of grasslands of some parts of India. With Indus flooding time to time, it is possible that these were floodplains historically. Afterall, the Asiatic cheetah also lived in this landscape.  (10-03-2019, 07:53 PM)Pckts Wrote: Sad news coming out of Ranthambore, Veeru has been killed in a territorial fight with T42, Fateh. #Raṇatha is the news of the death of a male young tiger t 109 (Viru) from the national national. This young male tiger of 3 TO 3 years was the cub of the female tigress t8 ladli, the female tiger JOHN NUMBER 6 Recently, he was looking for his territory, in the past days, after fighting with another tiger, he was found in a badly injured state. More than 35 wounds were found on the body of this tiger. It was being treated by putting it in the cage after ṭrēṅkulā'ija it on behalf of the forest department Tiger T20 Viru died in #raṇatha mbhaura ?.... for 3 days, the officers of the forest department were treated... 3 days ago viru was done with t42 2 days ago, doctors were treated by ṭrēṅkulā'ija  *This image is copyright of its original author
Atleast 15 Ranthambore tigers can be moved
Brainstorming on tigers for shifting begins in Rajasthan, as officials engaged in selection of tigers, to will be sent to Mukundra, Sariska and Ramgarh.  *This image is copyright of its original author Sawai madhopur. After the National Tiger Conservation Authority (NTCA) got permission to shift tigers from Ranthambore to elsewhere, the process of tiger selection has started in the tiger reserve. The officials are busy in selecting 6 tigers for shifting. According to departmental sources, the process of selection of tigers has been started at Ranthambore at the primary level, but the final decision will be taken later. Vagabond tigers will be sent According to the information received from the forest department, there are about 15 new young-agile tigers in Ranthambore, who are unable to make their territory & their presence remains at the border of the forest. In such a situation, these tigers repeatedly visit the populated areas. The department intends to shift such tigers from Ranthambore. Tiger-tigers can be selected from these Forest officials said that T-97, T-66, T-62, T-99, T-100, T-110, T-79, T-48, T-69, T-96, T-108 in Ranthambore. T-64, T-74 and many other tiger movements also remain around the boundary of the forest. Most of these tigers roam close to the population in the areas like Kundera, Khandar, Faludi etc. Apart from this, tigers T-102, T-107 etc. are also being considered. It is worth mentioning that T-102 and 107 were earlier marked by the department to shift Mukundara, but later T-106 was sent to Mukundra. T-64 can be sent to Sariska, T-110 to Mukundara In light of the skewed sex ratio in Sariska, with only 1 adult dominant male against atleast 8 tigresses, any tigress will not be sent to Sariska at present. Two male tigers will be shifted here. According to sources, an eight-year-old tiger T-64 from Ranthambore can be sent to Sariska. The offspring of the tigress T-19 (Krishna) T-64 were also marked to be sent to Sariska earlier, but later T-75 was sent to Sariska. Similarly, tiger T-110 is considered as the first choice of forest department for sending Mukundara. A pair of tigers will be shifted to the Seljar Range of Mukundara Hills Tiger Reserve. Out of this, one tiger may be T-110. The main reason for this is that this tiger is not living in Ranthambore but in outer fine forests. He is repeatedly moving towards the forests of Sultanpur. In the past, this tiger was also started in the way to Mukundara, but later this tiger came back to Ranthambore. It is noteworthy that permission for tiger shifting in Seljar has already been given by NTCA. https://m.patrika.com/sawai-madhopur-news/brainstorming-tigers-shifting-officers-engaged-selection-tigers-5209337/
Post #250 and #251 by @Pckts are about Viru who was the son of Ladli aka T8. As a weird coincidence, T8 gave birth to a litter of 2 cubs near the same time T109 aka Veeru was killed in a territorial fight. Tourist zone 6 is ladli’s territory and this is her third litter bringing her total to 7 cubs.
https://www.pinkcitypost.com/ranthambore-tigress-t-8-gives-birth-to-two-cubs/
T39 aka Noor and T57 giving the tourists show and a sighting. This is just before T58 (T57’s brother) decided to intervene and break up the party.
Adarsh Gopinath
T58 on the way to claim a territory! Ranthambore, Oct 2019  *This image is copyright of its original author
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