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08-07-2020, 09:54 AM( This post was last modified: 08-07-2020, 10:29 AM by peter )
(07-29-2020, 09:38 PM)Pckts Wrote:
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Showed this picture to someone who took care of tigers in different zoos and often talks to collegues still working in zoos in other European countries. All of them thought it was photoshopped. Same, like I said before, for many pics of tigers taken in central parts of India and pics of pumas from Patagonia and southern Chili. Only when they saw the pics posted by Parvez did they, to a degree, change their mind.
Recent pictures from Russia also often stun people. This although all keepers and vets working in zoos know about big cats and all read most WCS-publications on Amur tigers.
This then is the result of incomplete, if not inaccurate, info on the size of wild tigers offered by biologists who rejected old records out of hand and entered the forest with 500-pound scales. They did a great job in saving tigers, but it's clear accurate information on the size of wild tigers also is important.
There is some information on the size of 'problem tigers' in Russia and, often youngish, tigers killed in territorial disputes in India, but recent information on the size of healthy adult wild tigers in many regions just isn't there. Same for info on skulls and the (quite outspoken) differences between age classes.
Showed this picture to someone who took care of tigers in different zoos and often talks to collegues still working in zoos in other European countries. All of them thought it was photoshopped. Same, like I said before, for many pics of tigers taken in central parts of India and pics of pumas from Patagonia and southern Chili. Only when they saw the pics posted by Parvez did they, to a degree, change their mind.
Recent pictures from Russia also often stun people. This although all keepers and vets working in zoos know about big cats and all read most WCS-publications on Amur tigers.
This then is the result of incomplete, if not inaccurate, info on the size of wild tigers offered by biologists who rejected old records out of hand and entered the forest with 500-pound scales. They did a great job in saving tigers, but it's clear accurate information on the size of wild tigers also is important.
There is some information on the size of 'problem tigers' in Russia and, often youngish, tigers killed in territorial disputes in India, but recent information on the size of healthy adult wild tigers in many regions just isn't there. Same for info on skulls and the (quite outspoken) differences between age classes.
Anyhow. Nice pics PC and Parvez. Many thanks.
I wonder what are the ranges of skull sizes of Kaziranga tigers, do you have any data regarding skull sizes of Kaziranga tigers? Their skulls seem to be always larger than other Bengal tigers in relation to their bodies. Impressive.
08-07-2020, 02:40 PM( This post was last modified: 08-07-2020, 02:42 PM by parvez )
(08-07-2020, 09:54 AM)peter Wrote:
(07-29-2020, 09:38 PM)Pckts Wrote:
*This image is copyright of its original author
Showed this picture to someone who took care of tigers in different zoos and often talks to collegues still working in zoos in other European countries. All of them thought it was photoshopped. Same, like I said before, for many pics of tigers taken in central parts of India and pics of pumas from Patagonia and southern Chili. Only when they saw the pics posted by Parvez did they, to a degree, change their mind.
Recent pictures from Russia also often stun people. This although all keepers and vets working in zoos know about big cats and all read most WCS-publications on Amur tigers.
This then is the result of incomplete, if not inaccurate, info on the size of wild tigers offered by biologists who rejected old records out of hand and entered the forest with 500-pound scales. They did a great job in saving tigers, but it's clear accurate information on the size of wild tigers also is important.
There is some information on the size of 'problem tigers' in Russia and, often youngish, tigers killed in territorial disputes in India, but recent information on the size of healthy adult wild tigers in many regions just isn't there. Same for info on skulls and the (quite outspoken) differences between age classes.
Anyhow. Nice pics PC and Parvez. Many thanks.
You are welcome peter. It feels great to hear that they agreed they are original pics. Although they (pictures) are not mine, they are the property of NTCA.
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08-07-2020, 04:24 PM( This post was last modified: 08-07-2020, 04:28 PM by peter )
(08-07-2020, 12:07 PM)johnny rex Wrote:
(08-07-2020, 09:54 AM)peter Wrote:
(07-29-2020, 09:38 PM)Pckts Wrote:
*This image is copyright of its original author
Showed this picture to someone who took care of tigers in different zoos and often talks to collegues still working in zoos in other European countries. All of them thought it was photoshopped. Same, like I said before, for many pics of tigers taken in central parts of India and pics of pumas from Patagonia and southern Chili. Only when they saw the pics posted by Parvez did they, to a degree, change their mind.
Recent pictures from Russia also often stun people. This although all keepers and vets working in zoos know about big cats and all read most WCS-publications on Amur tigers.
This then is the result of incomplete, if not inaccurate, info on the size of wild tigers offered by biologists who rejected old records out of hand and entered the forest with 500-pound scales. They did a great job in saving tigers, but it's clear accurate information on the size of wild tigers also is important.
There is some information on the size of 'problem tigers' in Russia and, often youngish, tigers killed in territorial disputes in India, but recent information on the size of healthy adult wild tigers in many regions just isn't there. Same for info on skulls and the (quite outspoken) differences between age classes.
Anyhow. Nice pics PC and Parvez. Many thanks.
I wonder what are the ranges of skull sizes of Kaziranga tigers, do you have any data regarding skull sizes of Kaziranga tigers? Their skulls seem to be always larger than other Bengal tigers in relation to their bodies. Impressive.
Visit the tiger extinction thread for more info on the size of tigers in Cooch Behar and Assam. I posted quite a few tables based on the book of the Maharajah in early 2016, I think.
Apart from those, there's a record of a large tiger shot in Assam in the JBNHS I also posted in that thread. The tiger, 9.8 in total length straight, had an exceptional skull and was very heavy as well.
Bones, including skulls, are a result of function, meaning it's very likely the skull size of Kaziranga tigers is positively related to the size and weight of the animals they hunt. Competition for females, however, also is a factor to consider.
Kaziranga Tigers are absolutely gargantuan, government should really do a survey and collect data from this park. It might bring about a lot of change in the already existing data, specially sizes.
(09-13-2018, 05:05 PM)parvez Wrote: I strongly believe that not only northeastern india, but all-over india there are tigers with shoulder height of 105-115 cm tall. Maximum if I have to guess I won't be surprised if the tallest tigers there are around 125cm to 130cm tall.
Bengals don't reach 1.25-1.3 m in standing height,Bengals average over a meter tall at shoulders with exceptional males more than 1.1 m.Record height is 1.14 m for a wild male.Only prehistoric cats and hybrids reach those heights above 1.2 m.
(09-18-2020, 12:21 PM)Scout Wrote: Kaziranga Tigers are absolutely gargantuan, government should really do a survey and collect data from this park. It might bring about a lot of change in the already existing data, specially sizes.
Doubt it. There are barely any studies from Kaziranga about other more important aspects in regards to their conservation.
We still don’t know that when the park floods, and tigers move to the Karbi Anglong Hills, what is their relationship there?
Do they establish new territories amongst the hills?
How much more/less conflict do they experience not just with other tigers but with other species as well considering Kaziranga tigers have one of the highest mortality rate per capita amongst big cats.
Is there any change in their food habits once they migrate to these hills?
When they return to they go back to their original pre-flood territories?
How have tigresses adapted their mating cycles to ensure that cubs aren’t born just before the floods as Bengal tigers in most other parts litter throughout the year?
These are just some of the questions with regards to conservation and effective management that the govt and it’s inadequacy in terms of research can’t answer. Considering weighing and measuring them is even a lower priority (not to mention a huge challenge in Kaziranga’s unique landscape), I doubt you will get your answers very soon.
Tigers of North-Eastern India
