Tigers of Central India

[Roflcopters]

that's incredible, im shocked but i think Vijay's words are enough at this point. this will significantly boost the National average. thanks for taking your time out to confirm. hopefully King and Guate can add that weight to the list. Reply

[Vijay Rajan]

(11-20-2016, 03:33 AM)Pckts Wrote: I'm having a discussion with him on fb now, he swears by the weights, saying they are directly from WII, I'm trying to get vijays opinion on it. I'd actually love for these weights to be true just so we can add more to our tables, but like you, I'm very skeptical.

Pckts,

There's no doubt Bheema was collared in February 2014 & weighed in at 223 Kgs. In fact the WII team that'd radio-collared him were shocked to learn of his weight at that age (29-30 months) & I myself wouldn't have believed if it hadn't come straight from the horse's mouth & hadn't been recorded in the official reports. Reply

[tigerluver]

Great info @Vijay Rajan !

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Above is a lion's weight development chart. Between 2.5 yrs and prime, a lion will put on 152% of its weight at the age of 2.5 yrs. At 223 kg at 2.5 yrs of age, this chart would predict a humongous Bheema. What do you think @Vijay Rajan ? Reply

[Vijay Rajan]

(11-21-2016, 08:42 AM)tigerluver Wrote: Great info @Vijay Rajan !
Above is a lion's weight development chart. Between 2.5 yrs and prime, a lion will put on 152% of its weight at the age of 2.5 yrs. At 223 kg at 2.5 yrs of age, this chart would predict a humongous Bheema. What do you think @Vijay Rajan ?

tigerluver, I wouldn't speculate on Bheema's current weight & much rather await hard data in case he's tranquilized in future. I also wouldn't draw comparisons with Lions as I haven't studied about them extensively. 

The info shared by Pckts regarding the 2.5 yr old Baghin Nala Male cub having weighed 225 Kgs at the time of his death is also true as per data recorded by Pench forest officials who'd carried out the post mortem procedure. A picture of him is attached herewith. Thanks ! Reply

[Vijay Rajan]

     The 2.5 yr old Baghin Nala Male (sired by BMW) cub who weighed 225 Kgs at the time of his death. Reply

[Kingtheropod]

(11-21-2016, 10:06 AM)Vijay Rajan Wrote:  The 2.5 yr old Baghin Nala Male (sired by BMW) cub who weighed 225 Kgs at the time of his death.

Hello Vijay

If you don't mind. Can you please show a link to that tiger? Reply

[Vijay Rajan]

(11-21-2016, 10:27 AM)Kingtheropod Wrote:

(11-21-2016, 10:06 AM)Vijay Rajan Wrote:  The 2.5 yr old Baghin Nala Male (sired by BMW) cub who weighed 225 Kgs at the time of his death.

Hello Vijay

If you don't mind. Can you please show a link to that tiger?

Kingtheropod, here's the FB link to the news : https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=...=3&theater

If you're asking for this Male cub's profile here, Apollo is the go-to man. Thanks ! Reply

[Kingtheropod]

(11-21-2016, 10:49 AM)Vijay Rajan Wrote:

(11-21-2016, 10:27 AM)Kingtheropod Wrote:

(11-21-2016, 10:06 AM)Vijay Rajan Wrote:  The 2.5 yr old Baghin Nala Male (sired by BMW) cub who weighed 225 Kgs at the time of his death.

Hello Vijay

If you don't mind. Can you please show a link to that tiger?

Kingtheropod, here's the FB link to the news : https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=...=3&theater

If you're asking for this Male cub's profile here, Apollo is the go-to man. Thanks !

Thanks. But it doesn't mention the weight. Where did the 225 kg figure come from? Did you get it from Personnel communication?

To be honest. He looks bigger then 225 kg. Maybe because of his death, the rotting corpse was not as heavy as in life. Reply

[Vijay Rajan]

(11-21-2016, 11:00 AM)Kingtheropod Wrote:

(11-21-2016, 10:49 AM)Vijay Rajan Wrote:

(11-21-2016, 10:27 AM)Kingtheropod Wrote:

(11-21-2016, 10:06 AM)Vijay Rajan Wrote:  The 2.5 yr old Baghin Nala Male (sired by BMW) cub who weighed 225 Kgs at the time of his death.

Hello Vijay

If you don't mind. Can you please show a link to that tiger?

Kingtheropod, here's the FB link to the news : https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=...=3&theater

If you're asking for this Male cub's profile here, Apollo is the go-to man. Thanks !

Thanks. But it doesn't mention the weight. Where did the 225 kg figure come from? Did you get it from Personnel communication?

To be honest. How looks bigger then 225 kg. Maybe because of his death, the rotting corpse was not as heavy as in life.

Kingtheropod,

Kindly note, as exact weights/measurements/morphometric data are hardly ever published in the papers / social media, I rely on my sources in Forest departments/NGOs/WII for the same, the Hon.Wildlife Warden in this case. Reply

[Pckts]

(11-21-2016, 10:06 AM)Vijay Rajan Wrote:  The 2.5 yr old Baghin Nala Male (sired by BMW) cub who weighed 225 Kgs at the time of his death.

I remember this male very well, he measured 213cm HBL, but we weren't sure if it was over the curves or between the pegs, we estimated him to be measured over the curves cause of the length quoted which judging from his body weight, that was probably the case.
Minh ended up saying that he was 2.93m total length or 293cm or 115inches or 9.5 feet.

Also, Minh quoted bheemas neck girth to be 75cm so I assume the measurements are somewhere but I understand if you cannot divulge the info, but if you can we'd love to see them.

What great news this is though, obviously the protection these reserves are getting is paying dividends, tigers don't get this large unless their prey base can support it.
This is now the 3rd male that has obtained this size at such a young age that I'm aware of. I remember that T24/Ustaad was 240kg when he was treated for his intestinal issues at the age of 3.5yrs old as well. Reply

[Pckts]

Ameya Gokarn‎
A stunning morning in Kanha. The Karai Ghati male - Feb 2016.

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Kaleem Kureshi Kanha‎
The magical Kanha.
Queen of Kanha.
Nov16

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Rituraj Jaiswal‎

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Rachit Singh‎
Look in to My Eyes
I Am The One Who I Am...
Link 7 male aka Chota Munna
at KANHA NATIONAL PARK
JAN - 2014

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[Pckts]

Collared Tiger of Kahna

PC: Prasad DeskKar.

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On the Collared Kahna Tigers
Minh Ha
"10 tigers that were collared in Kanha between 2004-2007 as part of a tiger research. They were Umarpani 1 and 2, link and link 9 females, Indri male, Minkur male Pattewala, Banda, Konda, Junior Banda (link 7 female's son) and Churi male: The first to be collared were link 9 and link 7 females, and the last one was Konda. I don't know if any of them were weighed."
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Ujjwal Kumar Sinha yes 9 of them were weighed poochkanta was over 230kg as weighing machine was not dizital it was broken off when poochkanta was weighed as machine was limited to 225kg.

Ujjwal Kumar Sinha Minh Ha Now We use dizitied one where Gaur can weigh easily 1220kg limit. This is the case of 2004-5 wayback 10-12 years ago where accessibility of equipment was limited to forest department and WII due to financial limitation. Reply

[Kingtheropod]

(11-21-2016, 11:46 PM)Pckts Wrote: Collared Tiger of Kahna

PC: Prasad DeskKar.

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On the Collared Kahna Tigers
Minh Ha
"10 tigers that were collared in Kanha between 2004-2007 as part of a tiger research. They were Umarpani 1 and 2, link and link 9 females, Indri male, Minkur male Pattewala, Banda, Konda, Junior Banda (link 7 female's son) and Churi male: The first to be collared were link 9 and link 7 females, and the last one was Konda. I don't know if any of them were weighed."
<br /><br /><br />Ujjwal Kumar Sinha yes 9 of them were weighed poochkanta was over 230kg as weighing machine was not dizital it was broken off when poochkanta was weighed as machine was limited to 225kg.<br /><br />Ujjwal Kumar Sinha Minh Ha Now We use dizitied one where Gaur can weigh easily 1220kg limit. This is the case of 2004-5 wayback 10-12 years ago where accessibility of equipment was limited to forest department and WII due to financial limitation." class="lozad max-img-size" alt="" title="">

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Hello Pckts.
I'm just posting a screen shot of the tiger you showed in the previous post which weighed over 230 kg...
Here is quote from Sinha...

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[Pckts]

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Story about a recent sighting of this big guy...


https://tigersafari.blogspot.com.au/2016...tiger.html
Charged By A Massive Tiger

This happened not for the first time. 

I was on safari with guests from Courtyard House Kanha. Jennifer, David, Heather and Mark all enthusiastic travellers from New Zealand.  

The evening ride was organised at Khatia Zone ironically not a preferred one for most. But recently, tigers and leopards have been seen here besides sloth bear, nilgai, barking deer, and the common animals of Kanha.  The area lacks water bodies that retain water during the scorching summers. 

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The evening was interesting with some good sightings but no tiger. Since most of the travellers to the reserve come with this majestic predator in mind, I had some thinking head on for coming game rounds. 

While some distance away from the Mocha township a man on motorcycle waived frantically at us to catch our attention.  

"Tiger Ahead!"

I believed the man since Munna the dominant tiger now vanquished often roamed in this area. In no time we reached Budbudi Nala only to be confronted by locals and a retinue of forest staff. We could not see the tiger till the ranger pointed to a bush.

He was sitting in between the opening of two bushes. In the dim light we could see him pensive, staring straight at us. My guests had their first look of the magnificent predator.  Calm prevailed as the ranger informed us that he was Munna.

"Well he looks very big", I informed the guests. My suspicion proved right as the calmness was shattered by the deafening roar as the tiger rushed towards us on all fours crouched as only the cats can. It all happened in a split second and none of us saw him get up from where he was stationed.  

Stunned by the assault we kept looking at him in awe and wonder.  He covered few meters and than retracted but before we could settle down he rushed again this time more viciously with greater intensity. He came to about fifty feet near us. In that dim light photography was not possible.

In an instant the crowd moved far away from the scene of action. Trepidation ran deep among one and all. The snarl and the hiss was blood curdling. The huge tiger retracted once again and remained crouched  ready to charge...which never came.    

"This is Dabang," I exclaimed. Being a cattle lifter he is of aggressive dispensation as all his likes are. He was charging at our jeep and that of another stationed near us.

Dabang is the largest tiger seen so far at Kanha National Park. He had earlier charged us with greater ferocity last June. The charge was close distance and it was terrifying. This was my third sighting of the big cat, much earlier I had seen him at a bison kill on Karia Ghatti Road. He was grimacing and snarling menacingly then.

The ranger signalled us to move on and we did. Much relieved that my guest had seen a tiger and experienced a rare action in making.

Next day the animal was seen near the Ghangar Nala on Bahiar Road that leads to the Courtyard House.  At 3.50 pm. A big passer by crowd had gathered and witnessed another charge on a passing vehicle. The tiger had then moved into the forest leading to the Nala.

The cattle lifters survive among the livestock of impressive size and hence grow big and aggressive, often confronted by the cowherds. Unlike Dabang who is closer to human settlements, most of them live in buffer forests scattered around the core. These are inhabited by people and their livestock. Unlike the core the buffer is not much under scrutiny, man animal encounters and poaching often occur.

With ever increasing population of tigers and leopard, the management of buffer augurs a new look. Reply

[Roflcopters]

Do people still have doubt that Central Indian males cant compare with the biggest of the specimens, if only we had something from the Terai/Assam region from late 1990s to 2016 for comparison. India is not running short of big specimens. that is a fact now. I always thought Minh ha greatly overexaggerated his tiger weights but he was right all along and we have a handful of new specimens to add on to the list of Bengal tigers now. Reply