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(12-17-2016, 02:47 AM)Pckts Wrote: The lion for one.
Essay? It's not that long of a read and you can always skip to the results. Measuring a zoo cat is also misleading since there are variances between captive and wild skulls same with muscle mass.
Are you expecting lower or higher psi for lions?? As a semi scavenger in African savanna it is more than enough for lions.
Zoo animals findings are more reliable than fiber in any day.BTW did you read the report? in the report no Panthera Leo and no Panthera Tigris Tigris or Panthera Tigris Altica are measured.
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What a stupid answer ! About the african lions:
1) false assertion: the scavengers have often, if not always, the strongest bites.
2) what you think is not an approved scientific fact. Only a biased opinion.
Yeah they're both going to have a similar bite force considering their head size. Its also not just about the bite hold, but how you bite, lions are better biters with their jaws then tigers. A lion can bite in multiple places before you even know what happened, and then hes gone. If the tigers going for that bite, its going to clutch and try to hold on usually, the lion will bite in so many different ways in so many different places stepping back from the opponent to protect itself and then going back in. You see this with gang ups, each lion takes its turn going in for a bite then ripping and shaking the head to inflict more damage, then they jump back.
01-11-2017, 02:43 AM( This post was last modified: 01-11-2017, 02:45 AM by Pckts )
(01-11-2017, 02:29 AM)manedmauler Wrote:
(01-11-2017, 01:23 AM)Spalea Wrote:
(12-17-2016, 10:27 AM)Vinay Wrote:
(12-17-2016, 02:47 AM)Pckts Wrote: The lion for one.
Essay? It's not that long of a read and you can always skip to the results. Measuring a zoo cat is also misleading since there are variances between captive and wild skulls same with muscle mass.
Are you expecting lower or higher psi for lions?? As a semi scavenger in African savanna it is more than enough for lions.
Zoo animals findings are more reliable than fiber in any day.BTW did you read the report? in the report no Panthera Leo and no Panthera Tigris Tigris or Panthera Tigris Altica are measured.
*This image is copyright of its original author
What a stupid answer ! About the african lions:
1) false assertion: the scavengers have often, if not always, the strongest bites.
2) what you think is not an approved scientific fact. Only a biased opinion.
Yeah they're both going to have a similar bite force considering their head size. Its also not just about the bite hold, but how you bite, lions are better biters with their jaws then tigers. A lion can bite in multiple places before you even know what happened, and then hes gone. If the tigers going for that bite, its going to clutch and try to hold on usually, the lion will bite in so many different ways in so many different places stepping back from the opponent to protect itself and then going back in.You see thi,s with gang ups each lion takes its turn going in for a bite then ripping and shaking the head to inflict more damage, then they jump back.
"better biters?"
Sounds awfully familiar to what an old AVA poster used to say.... Starfox, is that you?
I assume you don't have any data to back this claim?
(12-17-2016, 02:47 AM)Pckts Wrote: The lion for one.
Essay? It's not that long of a read and you can always skip to the results. Measuring a zoo cat is also misleading since there are variances between captive and wild skulls same with muscle mass.
Are you expecting lower or higher psi for lions?? As a semi scavenger in African savanna it is more than enough for lions.
Zoo animals findings are more reliable than fiber in any day.BTW did you read the report? in the report no Panthera Leo and no Panthera Tigris Tigris or Panthera Tigris Altica are measured.
*This image is copyright of its original author
What a stupid answer ! About the african lions:
1) false assertion: the scavengers have often, if not always, the strongest bites.
2) what you think is not an approved scientific fact. Only a biased opinion.
Hyena's majority diet come from scavenging and that too they mostly depends on crushing the bones so no doubt their bite force is higher.
2.For your kind information i provided two links (Scientific facts) above.
(12-17-2016, 02:47 AM)Pckts Wrote: The lion for one.
Essay? It's not that long of a read and you can always skip to the results. Measuring a zoo cat is also misleading since there are variances between captive and wild skulls same with muscle mass.
Are you expecting lower or higher psi for lions?? As a semi scavenger in African savanna it is more than enough for lions.
Zoo animals findings are more reliable than fiber in any day.BTW did you read the report? in the report no Panthera Leo and no Panthera Tigris Tigris or Panthera Tigris Altica are measured.
*This image is copyright of its original author
What a stupid answer ! About the african lions:
1) false assertion: the scavengers have often, if not always, the strongest bites.
2) what you think is not an approved scientific fact. Only a biased opinion.
Hyena's majority diet come from scavenging and that too they mostly depends on crushing the bones so no doubt their bite force is higher.
2.For your kind information i provided two links (Scientific facts) above.
We have proved on an other thread that The lion's bite force you quoted was one of the subadult. Thus an adult lion's bite force is clearly higher. In fact it is a little bit smaller than the tiger's bite force.
And when you say "as a semi scavenger I think it is more than enough", your assertion is not scientific at all. Only a biased opinion, yes...
01-11-2017, 01:03 PM( This post was last modified: 01-11-2017, 07:31 PM by Vinay )
(01-11-2017, 12:14 PM)Spalea Wrote:
(01-11-2017, 08:40 AM)Vinay Wrote:
(01-11-2017, 01:23 AM)Spalea Wrote:
(12-17-2016, 10:27 AM)Vinay Wrote:
(12-17-2016, 02:47 AM)Pckts Wrote: The lion for one.
Essay? It's not that long of a read and you can always skip to the results. Measuring a zoo cat is also misleading since there are variances between captive and wild skulls same with muscle mass.
Are you expecting lower or higher psi for lions?? As a semi scavenger in African savanna it is more than enough for lions.
Zoo animals findings are more reliable than fiber in any day.BTW did you read the report? in the report no Panthera Leo and no Panthera Tigris Tigris or Panthera Tigris Altica are measured.
*This image is copyright of its original author
What a stupid answer ! About the african lions:
1) false assertion: the scavengers have often, if not always, the strongest bites.
2) what you think is not an approved scientific fact. Only a biased opinion.
Hyena's majority diet come from scavenging and that too they mostly depends on crushing the bones so no doubt their bite force is higher.
2.For your kind information i provided two links (Scientific facts) above.
We have proved on an other thread that The lion's bite force you quoted was one of the subadult. Thus an adult lion's bite force is clearly higher. In fact it is a little bit smaller than the tiger's bite force.
And when you say "as a semi scavenger I think it is more than enough", your assertion is not scientific at all. Only a biased opinion, yes...
When and where you proved that the lion measured was a sub-adult??
Lions are semi-scavengers, what is there to discuss!! ...... BTW Watch these two videos (reputed organizations based on Scientific facts) and check the comments below no doubt still many idiots believes Lions are King of the JUNGLE.
Actually i expected 520 for an African lions (half of tiger's) but they surpassed my expectations.
Semi-scavenger. Lions, tigers, leopards, and jaguars; all pantherines are full-time predators. However, each of them will take advantage of a found carcass. Vinay, if your purpose here is to bad-mouth lions, then you need to rethink your direction.
01-11-2017, 08:06 PM( This post was last modified: 01-11-2017, 08:12 PM by brotherbear )
Vinay says: Don't think calling Hyenas as Scavengers,Lions as Semi scavengers and Bears as Grazers is bad-mouth ... that is simple plain TRUTH. Wrong. Hyenas also hunt and kill their own food. But, yes they also scavenge. A lion will scavenge a carcass, same as a tiger or a leopard. Bears ( I assume you mean brown bear ) will sometimes graze, sometimes forage from trees, sometimes raid bee hives, sometimes fish, sometimes dig for clams, sometimes dig for roots or rodents, sometimes scavenge a carcass, sometimes replace a predator from a carcass, and sometimes hunt and kill. You seem to enjoy stereotyping and downplaying your least favorites.
01-11-2017, 08:09 PM( This post was last modified: 01-11-2017, 08:32 PM by Pckts )
I'm pretty sure you know the differences between a sub adult and an adult male lion, if not then you should look through the appropriate threads.
And like the video says "who's to say that's the best bite a lion can give us?"
But the fact is, that's the only measurement taken from a live mammal on your list.
By Ursus Arctos on Carnivora, African Lion vs Eastern Gorilla Silverback:
Quote:"For unscaled models, the highest bite forces in Newtons (N) were obtained at the second molar from P. boisei (2161 N), followed by G. gorilla (1723 N), P. troglodytes (1511 N), H. sapiens (1109 N or 1317 N and see below), P. pygmaeus (1031 N), A. africanus (831 N) and H. lar (136 N).
We found that bite force was broadly proportional to body mass (as predicted using a method based on cranial data that provides body mass estimates most comparable to those generated on the basis of postcranial reconstructions (Aiello & Wood 1994)). Predicted body masses for the hominid specimens ranged from 30.6 kg for A. africanus to 127.5 kg for G. gorilla. The relationship between bite force and body mass showed slightly positive or near-positive allometry, depending on bite point (see electronic supplementary material, figure S5). Relative to predicted body masses, P. boisei (67 kg) generated the highest bite forces and G. gorilla the lowest." The craniomandibular mechanics of being human
The lion in the above article was estimated to weigh 267 kg; I have discussed before how this is a gross overestimation; I will use the more realistic number of 210 kg instead.
The gorilla was a female estimated to weigh 127.5 kg. Scaling it up and assuming isometry, that leads to a molar force of 1723 * (210/127.5)^(2/3) = 2403 N.
The lion's carnassial force: 5612 N.
Note that, again, these animals might not really be giving up their all, but 5612 N is more than 1000-pounds if one converts it.
I can give you one Guinness book of world record and say AVERAGE BENGAL TIGER weight is 389 kg because i have ONE proof.
Don't know how that semi scavenger got 691 psi.
Do you know what Sherdog and The Chive are?
Sherdog is a mma news sight and forum and The Chive is a local site devoted to cool pictures and t shirt sales.
And you cannot not give a guinness would record and say "average," you can give a world record and say World Record, it's right there in the name.
I can give you one Guinness book of world record and say AVERAGE BENGAL TIGER weight is 389 kg because i have ONE proof.
Don't know how that semi scavenger got 691 psi.
Do you know what Sherdog and The Chive are?
Sherdog is a mma news sight and forum and The Chive is a local site devoted to cool pictures and t shirt sales.
And you cannot not give a guinness would record and say "average," you can give a world record and say World Record, it's right there in the name.
The last part you wrote is ridiculous
Yeah yeah all my SOURCES and Videos are fake and doubtful but your half edited arabic written video is Bible (Kuran/Geeta).
The strongest bites in the animal kingdom
