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Siberian tigers & Amur leopards Photography tours! Come to discover wild Russia!

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(12-07-2018, 11:38 AM)peter Wrote: Nice translation. So you're interested in helping out when I go to Russia to measure tiger skulls? I could definitely use a man interested in tigers and able in Russian. Canada is not too far away, is it?

No problem with translation, but I afraid that my wife (by the way she is Russian) is not gonna be very enthusiastic about my possible trip  Ha Ha more specially concerning financial part.... 

Otherwise no big deal, I'm in Vancouver, want to escape as you the endless winter rains (Amsterdam is just a waterless desert in comparison with Vancouver) and have a dream since a childhood to visit Ussuriland but always delay. Sometimes I'm really sorry that I'm not a bachelor...
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(12-07-2018, 11:35 AM)peter Wrote: Many thanks for the answers, Olga.

I hope you understand that the points I mentioned in my previous post were not mine. They were offered by people I know. They're not really interested in the natural world. Those who are, will come no matter what. I'll find some people interested in one of the tours you offer sooner or later. 

As to the skulls. I read a book written by Charly Russell called 'Grizzly Heart'. It was published in 2002. Charly, a brown bear authority, visited Russia to raise orphaned young brown bears in Kamchatka. Before he could start work, he needed permission from authorities working for an institute dedicated to conservation in Chabarowsk. Before they talked about his project, he was shown an enormous collection of tiger and bear skulls by Dr. Juri Dunishenko and Dr. Alexander Khulikov. He wrote the collection was enormous. 

I also know there is a museum or institute in Vladivostok that has tiger and bear skulls. It also has a famous diorama showing a brown bear and a tiger.

I wrote to Dr. Dale Miquelle about tiger skulls some years ago. He said he didn't know anything about the institutes in Chabarowsk and Vladivostok. He was interested, but I don't think he can help out.

I'll try to find the correct names of both institutes.

Here the question is: what happens with the skulls of Amur tigers dying from old age in the forest, do forest rangers and scientists collect them or leave them in the forest. If they collect them where these skulls go and are they stored somewhere. Its not necessary Peter that all tiger skulls go in museums of the big cities or institutes of RAS, its possible that majority of the skulls (if they are collected at all)  are stored in some storehouses or rooms inside the Sihote Alin state reserve or Lazovsky state reserve or in the local  museums attached to the particular national parks or reserves. I think that your idea of measuring dozens and dozens of tiger skulls is a bit over-optimistic, its quite possible that in no one particular place are stored more than 4-5 skulls. So here Olga could give a definitive answer by asking local forest rangers.
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(12-07-2018, 01:49 PM)Wolverine Wrote: Here the question is: what happens with the skulls of Amur tigers dying from old age in the forest, do forest rangers and scientists collect them or leave them in the forest. If they collect them where these skulls go and are they stored somewhere. Its not necessary Peter that all tiger skulls go in museums of the big cities or institutes of RAS, its possible that majority of the skulls (if they are collected at all)  are stored in some storehouses or rooms inside the Sihote Alin state reserve or Lazovsky state reserve or in the local  museums attached to the particular national parks or reserves. I think that your idea of measuring dozens and dozens of tiger skulls is a bit ambitious, its quite possible that in no one particular place are stored more than 4-5 skulls. So here Olga could give a definitive answer by asking local forest rangers.
Do you know that it is impossible to find Amur tigers remains if they die on natural causes? Udeghe people even have the legend about mysterious mountain Sangeli on Bikin river where old tigers go to die.
As for killed tigers remains - I know that scientists collect them to educate. I still can't catch the scientists through the phone. I'll proceed to try on Monday, also we'll be in leopard photography tour since Tuesday and I'll able to visit Leopard Land scientist department, let you know about the results.
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(12-07-2018, 01:58 PM)Olga.bohai Wrote: Do you know that it is impossible to find Amur tigers remains if they die on natural causes? Udeghe people even have the legend about mysterious mountain Sangeli on Bikin river where old tigers go to die.

There is something almost super-natural in such a phenomenon, if it is true, its not clear what happens with the bodies of the dead old tigers in such a case, they cant evaporate in 3D or 5D parallel worlds...
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(12-07-2018, 02:12 PM)Wolverine Wrote: There is something almost super-natural in such a phenomenon, if it is true, its not clear what happens with the bodies of the dead old tigers in such a case, they cant evaporate in 3D or 5D parallel worlds...

I think they try to find the best shelter which is possible if they feel bad first of all to protect themselves against attacks.
If you know Russian watch this movie, really very interesting, you'll enjoy if you found of Ussuri taiga and Siberian tigers Amur tiger. Sangeli
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