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I'm not saying ur wrong, but they show up every male has left. Imo if anyone can claim this area, it's pc. Everyone else so far has been lucky not to get attacked
PC males quite far east on Londolozi, apparently in Ndzenga/N'waswitshaka territory. This might have been around the time they had their border dispute.
(07-28-2024, 03:39 PM)NLAL11 Wrote: PC males quite far east on Londolozi, apparently in Ndzenga/N'waswitshaka territory. This might have been around the time they had their border dispute.
This is not recent? I just saw the video. The video said maybe the Kambula lionesses mothers were there. The Plain Camp male lions were not roaring. They were smelling and then eating. These Plain Camp male lions really do travel a lot and have been traveling to different places. I wonder if they have been with the Tsalala lioness.
(07-28-2024, 03:39 PM)NLAL11 Wrote: PC males quite far east on Londolozi, apparently in Ndzenga/N'waswitshaka territory. This might have been around the time they had their border dispute.
This is not recent? I just saw the video. The video said maybe the Kambula lionesses mothers were there. The Plain Camp male lions were not roaring. They were smelling and then eating. These Plain Camp male lions really do travel a lot and have been traveling to different places. I wonder if they have been with the Tsalala lioness.
Difficult to say with these virtual safari videos. It might be very recent, but we have no way of knowing unless it lines up with other content posted on social media.
It was members of the Ntsevu pride the males could smell apparently. But they lost interest and returned to the hippo carcass.
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(07-28-2024, 03:39 PM)NLAL11 Wrote: PC males quite far east on Londolozi, apparently in Ndzenga/N'waswitshaka territory. This might have been around the time they had their border dispute.
This is not recent? I just saw the video. The video said maybe the Kambula lionesses mothers were there. The Plain Camp male lions were not roaring. They were smelling and then eating. These Plain Camp male lions really do travel a lot and have been traveling to different places. I wonder if they have been with the Tsalala lioness.
Difficult to say with these virtual safari videos. It might be very recent, but we have no way of knowing unless it lines up with other content posted on social media.
It was members of the Ntsevu pride the males could smell apparently. But they lost interest and returned to the hippo carcass.
Yes it is interesting. They are getting or want to get familiar where they are. They were not roaring. Smelling and being quit; if it is recent they must know the Ndhzenga male lions are around. I had read when they were younger they had heard or seen the Ndhzenga male lions before. I wonder if they would remember that the Nzdhenga male lions are were 4. I think recently they know is two Ndhzenga male lions, but I wonder how close the Plain camp male lions and Ndhzenga were close to each other.
This was likely a week or so ago, the guide was excited about a possible clash, I doubt they would have missed the opportunity to address that if this was as old as the actual clash, the video would then be about the actual clash.
A guide said that PCM dominated most of the chasing in the clash with Ndhzengas, which is different from what was first reported by ( I think another guide ) who said "Ndhzengas won because it was in their territory and PCM returned to the West".
We also only had footage of PCM chasing, not the opposite, and now they were deep in Ndhzengas territory again, only 1-2km away of the Ntsevu pride.
So instead of a clear cut victory like "Ndhzengas chased PCM back to the West" it was probably more of a stalemate with PCM doing better but returning because they weren't trying to take over nor anything, as I don't think they would so quickly invade again if their confidence had taken a blow by straight up losing to the resident males.
Still we didn't get a clear account/report of the clash so who knows, thing is, Ndhzengas must keep their eyes open in Londolozi, while the Kambula pride can probably defend itself if push comes to shove, the Ntsevu pride would have a hard time stopping the PCM.
Not only that, PCM are now neighbors to the Ntsevu who have territory in the north of Londolozi and MalaMala.
(07-29-2024, 06:20 AM)Mapokser Wrote: This was likely a week or so ago, the guide was excited about a possible clash, I doubt they would have missed the opportunity to address that if this was as old as the actual clash, the video would then be about the actual clash.
A guide said that PCM dominated most of the chasing in the clash with Ndhzengas, which is different from what was first reported by ( I think another guide ) who said "Ndhzengas won because it was in their territory and PCM returned to the West".
We also only had footage of PCM chasing, not the opposite, and now they were deep in Ndhzengas territory again, only 1-2km away of the Ntsevu pride.
So instead of a clear cut victory like "Ndhzengas chased PCM back to the West" it was probably more of a stalemate with PCM doing better but returning because they weren't trying to take over nor anything, as I don't think they would so quickly invade again if their confidence had taken a blow by straight up losing to the resident males.
Still we didn't get a clear account/report of the clash so who knows, thing is, Ndhzengas must keep their eyes open in Londolozi, while the Kambula pride can probably defend itself if push comes to shove, the Ntsevu pride would have a hard time stopping the PCM.
Not only that, PCM are now neighbors to the Ntsevu who have territory in the north of Londolozi and MalaMala.
I think is like you said a lot of speculation. I do not think there was an actual video of the Ndhzenga male lions and Plain Camp male lions chasing. I mean on the video but it must of happened. All it is known the Plain then just left. I wonder if this was the video where they actually first started going towards them. It must of been the hippo and the lions that made them go that way. The 3 lionesses have a few cubs and they are very young. Hopefully they can stay away. They must still be traveling north and to the Ximunguwe lionesses. I wonder if they have been with the Tsalala lionesses maybe they have and they just haven’t been seen together.
They were seen with the Ximhungwes as well. They've been checking to see if either female is ready to mate again a fair amount from other videos I've seen lately.
08-04-2024, 08:42 PM( This post was last modified: 08-04-2024, 08:43 PM by Cath2020 )
Hmmm, could the Xim Lioness be starting estrous? I've seen footage of them sniffing her out very eagerly while she was not even trying to be flirty. Maybe.... But then again, the NK Lionesses will need more protection from the males if they are pregnant.
If I were an NK Lioness, I'd be wary of these males going back and forth all the time, not providing constant protection to potential cubs in the future. I wouldn't be as sold on them....but that's just me, lol. Maybe all of them are now pregnant!
If Xim gets pregnant, she'll be roaring all the time for the males to return and look after the pride, no doubt. But if there are MORE young cubs with the NKs, then I fear they will start to return less often to the Xim Pride, leaving the poor older lioness to once again lose any cubs to secure her bloodline.
