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(10-16-2023, 03:18 PM)BigLion39 Wrote: Just something I've noticed and curious about. As we call male lions and coalitions their natal pride followed by "Boys" we also call them by the name of the pride they take over followed by "males". It is well known on the lion world to do this. So my question.... why does everyone call them PC "males"? Its clearly a wrong name to describe them. They should be called Plains Camp "Boys". Just my observation, probably not the most important thing anyone thinks of. Ill continue to calle them PC "Boys" tho.
As @Rabubi said, 'males' and 'boys' are interchangeable, though it's almost always 'males'. The only coalition I'm familiar with being regularly called boys are the Birmingham Boys (BBoys), probably because it creates a nice bit of alliteration. The Kambula males sometimes get called the Kambula Boys, most likely because it's a callback to their fathers, the BBoys. Personally I hope it sticks. Males get named after the local area or the pride they become dominant of when the rangers/reserve don't know their natal pride, and therefore need some name to refer to them with.
(10-16-2023, 04:56 PM)NLAL11 Wrote: As @Rabubi said, 'males' and 'boys' are interchangeable, though it's almost always 'males
Yeah they're not really interchangeable with males. "Boys" after their natal pride is basically how it goes and when they take over a pride "males" follow their taken over pride. Its really how most of the naming works besides when they get real names. I mean how else would we be able to decipher their natal pride between the prides take over. I mean I've never seen anything written in stone but basically ask most and thats how its done. For example everybody says Ross "Males" but IMHO its totally backwards and confusing because they should be Ross Boys aka Birmingham Males as thats their natal pride. Then we look in the Mara and get Black Rock Boys, not males, why... because they were born in Black Rock pride. I mean can we get some sort of reliability with the naming of the coalitions? Fig Tree Boys. Birmingham Boys. Isaketa Boys. Sanakai Boys. Rekero Breakaway Boy. RoNgai Boys. Offbeat Boys. Maji Ya Fisi Boys. Mjejane Males (were pride males of pride). Torchwood male as he is/was the pride male of that pride. Hippo Pools males (wrong, should be boys). Shishangeni Males. If we know their natal pride then we probably should use that not to confuse as there so much conflicting info we could easily make that stick. Black Dam males is wrong, should be Boys.
(10-16-2023, 04:56 PM)NLAL11 Wrote: As @Rabubi said, 'males' and 'boys' are interchangeable, though it's almost always 'males
Yeah they're not really interchangeable with males. "Boys" after their natal pride is basically how it goes and when they take over a pride "males" follow their taken over pride. Its really how most of the naming works besides when they get real names. I mean how else would we be able to decipher their natal pride between the prides take over. I mean I've never seen anything written in stone but basically ask most and thats how its done. For example everybody says Ross "Males" but IMHO its totally backwards and confusing because they should be Ross Boys aka Birmingham Males as thats their natal pride. Then we look in the Mara and get Black Rock Boys, not males, why... because they were born in Black Rock pride. I mean can we get some sort of reliability with the naming of the coalitions? Fig Tree Boys. Birmingham Boys. Isaketa Boys. Sanakai Boys. Rekero Breakaway Boy. RoNgai Boys. Offbeat Boys. Maji Ya Fisi Boys. Mjejane Males (were pride males of pride). Torchwood male as he is/was the pride male of that pride. Hippo Pools males (wrong, should be boys). Shishangeni Males. If we know their natal pride then we probably should use that not to confuse as there so much conflicting info we could easily make that stick. Black Dam males is wrong, should be Boys.
Is what it is tho, we'll stay confusing! Lol!
So basically, you believe it should work like that, and all of the rangers in South Africa are wrong, and you're right?
"Its really how most of the naming works besides when they get real names." So you're saying that the names they get from their natal pride aren't their real names? So the 'Kambula Males/Boys' isn't their real name?
"I mean how else would we be able to decipher their natal pride between the prides take over." Well, everyone else seems to be able to keep track without getting confused. And what happens when a coalition takes over more than one pride? Are you saying the Birmingham boys should have actually been called the Nkuhuma-Styx-Torchwood-Kambula-Tsalala Males?
Could it be, that rangers and reserves in the Mara and South Africa have slightly different ways of naming the males/coalitions, and that's okay, and there's really no point getting so bent out of shape over something so trivial as whether a coalition is named 'Something Boys' or 'Something Males'? It seems to be working fine the way it is.
(10-21-2023, 01:57 PM)NLAL11 Wrote: So basically, you believe it should work like that, and all of the rangers in South Africa are wrong, and you're right?
I'm not the only one that describes them like this. And I'm not gonna keep going on about this. Its known, sorry you don't agree but it is known.... natal pride equals "boys" taken over pride equals "males" and people write and describe as they want. And yes these animals are called many names, unfortunately confusing.
The two Plains Camp Males roaring for us the other night, advertising their territory and their presence. They are massive males and I believe they will be in charge for quite some time.
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(09-04-2022, 03:30 PM)Tr1x24 Hello. Hello Tr1x24 I would like a second of your time please Wrote: Plains Camp males:
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2 brothers born into Plains Camp pride around July 2017, they where sired by mighty Mantimahle males.
October 2017:
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As a cubs, with their sisters, they where thriving under protection of 5 mighty fathers.
April 2018 :
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Coming into 2019, 4 out of 5 their fathers started to moving away from this area and hanging with new, bigger prides further south, leaving only 1 male behind with them, he is known as famous 5th Mantimahle, the separated brother.
5th and PC subs, February 2019:
Later around mid 2019, 2 S. Avocas took that advantage and pushed out remaining 5th Mantimahle and takeover Plains Camp pride. With subadults being only around 2 years of age, they where forced to run away and leave the pride, starting nomadic life.
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Thats where Plains Camp males where seen in Sabi Sands for the first time, in April 2020, they appeared in eastern MalaMala, in company of 2 sisters.
They moved west and hanged around Sabi Sabi for some time, eventually 2 sisters left them and prob returned back towards their natal area, leaving 2 young males alone.
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But their presence didn't get unnoticed, as they also hanged in MalaMala and in Bboys territory, Bboys Tinyo caught them and beat up 1 of the males, leaving him limping. Eventually, shortly after July 2020, 2 youngsters left Sabi Sands and went back in Kruger. They where seen hanging around Skukuza and their natal area around Rhino Post.
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Although most of us believed we wont see these 2 youngsters again in Sabi Sands, suprise happened in March 2021, 2 males where spotted in Sabi Sabi, this time significantly bigger then they once where.
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They roamend almost whole Sabi Sand, although this time bigger, they where still no match for local, territorial males, so they where chased around a lot by Bboys, Avoca males and OM.
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Eventually, towards the late 2021, they settled into empty area of Singita, attracting 2 Nkuhuma females, Ridge Nose and Amber Eyes with them. They become territorial males.
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Around early 2022, Ridge Nose give birth to 2 cubs, their first offspring.
Since they settled in Singita, they are assumed to be responsible for killing few female lions, like subs from Nkuhuma and Talamati prides, and possible Tsalala female.
2 males growed into massive and impressive specimens, prob the most impressive males in Sabi Sands already, at only 5 yrs of age. But its not only their looks, since they become territorial, their confidence and agressivnes skyrocket.
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They are actively searching for new females (seen mating with breakaway Mhangeni female) and to expand territory, pushing east and especially west, already invading west few times in the past months against Skorro Jr. Tumbela, who eventualy lost his territory to Nhenha and NK male.
But now 2 territorial males there didn't slow down PC males, just yesterday they confidentley invaded western sector and chased both males.
Its yet to be see how will this campaing west and future go for 2 impressive males.
