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" As far as I know, Wagdoh has never been weighed or measured. Therefore, Boldchamp's assertions that perhaps some lions rival Wagdoh in size has not been proven with 100% certainty to be wrong."
I was just responding to this statement above.
One image of one tiger in one position is nothing to compare. You need multiple images, similar distances, backdrops to use for scale, etc. Eye witnesses and expert opionions.
But no image changes the fact that tigers are larger than lions and a tiger that is one of the largest seen would be larger than a lion that is one of the largest seen.
A. Wagdoh has not been PROVEN to be larger than the average tiger
B. SOME lions are larger than average and CAN be larger than the average tiger.
C. "Boldchamp's assertions that perhaps some lions rival Wagdoh in size has not been proven with 100% certainty to be wrong."
Taking into consideration statements A and B, I still stand by statement C.
08-13-2014, 01:27 AM( This post was last modified: 08-13-2014, 01:33 AM by Siegfried )
Again this thread is about whether or not a particular tiger's size is overrated. If all you have are photos to compare, any opinion is merely a guess. Has Munna ever been weighed or measured? If the answer is no, then my opinion on whether Munna's size is overrated is that it is quite possible. How's that for a non-opinion?
(08-13-2014, 01:19 AM)'Siegfried' Wrote: A. Wagdoh has not been PROVEN to be larger than the average tiger
B. SOME lions are larger than average and CAN be larger than the average tiger.
C. "Boldchamp's assertions that perhaps some lions rival Wagdoh in size has not been proven with 100% certainty to be wrong."
Taking into consideration statements A and B, I still stand by statement C.
I didn't want to get off topic, but you seem to be forcing my hand.
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Just a few eye witnesses confirming Waghdoh to be the biggest tiger they have ever seen. Wagdhoh is the furthest thing from "average" and this is confirmed time and time again. To not admit that and try and say that he could be average is a very unrealistic opinion from somebody that has never ever seen a wild tiger, let alone Waghdoh.
Just like the other eye witnesses confirming that Munna was the largest if not one of the largest tigers in Kahna. This are not "average", none are stated to be average and none are close to average when all of their images are shown.
Sorry, but your argument doesn't work here.
I remember when I met Hulk Hogan around 1990. I couldn't imagine anyone bigger. Until I saw him standing next to Andre the Giant, Kevin Nash, The Big Show.
08-13-2014, 02:14 AM( This post was last modified: 08-13-2014, 02:15 AM by Roflcopters )
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Quote:A. Wagdoh has not been PROVEN to be larger than the average tiger
well this is what happens when you don't attend your classes, Prime Wagdoh is the largest Central Indian male as quoted by many in the Tourism Industry.
Quote:B. SOME lions are larger than average and CAN be larger than the average tiger.
agreed
Quote:C. "Boldchamp's assertions that perhaps some lions rival Wagdoh in size has not been proven with 100% certainty to be wrong."
Guaranteed you won't find a single living male of his caliber in the entire Continent of Africa or India (Asiatic lions) and for the record, Boldchamp was a joke. [img]images/smilies/wink.gif[/img]
(08-13-2014, 02:11 AM)'Siegfried' Wrote: I remember when I met Hulk Hogan around 1990. I couldn't imagine anyone bigger. Until I saw him standing next to Andre the Giant, Kevin Nash, The Big Show.
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This is already absurd, but your logic is still flawed.
If you had seen Andre the Giant (who was not wrestling in 1990), Kevin Nash and the Big Show as well as seeing Hulk Hogan, then it would apply.
But you had ONLY seen Hulk Hogan (allegedly) and could not compare him to any other. Unlike these multiple eye witnesses who have seen these tigers (all of them listed) many times and can compare them to eachother.
No offense, you have shown nothing to back your claims while refusing actual evidence that completely disproves what you tried to claim.
If opinion is all we have so be it, however someone quoting an opinion is NOT the same as proof. Many years ago, some people were quoted as saying, "the world is flat."
Wagdoh appears to be large no doubt, I am not saying that he doesn't.
I couldn't believe it when I saw Ralph Sampson tower over Kareem Abdul Jabbar.
08-13-2014, 02:25 AM( This post was last modified: 08-13-2014, 02:29 AM by Pckts )
What does anything you are saying have to do with comparing tigers that live near each other from eye witnesses?
So eye witness account is "opinion" now?
What about the Tiger weights given, are those "opinion" as well?
How many people where eye witnesses to the world being "flat" how many of them had digital images to compare to others to see?
I can't help but feel like you're simply trolling now.
Maybe the mods could get rid of this stuff?
"I couldn't believe it when I saw Ralph Sampson tower over Kareem Abdul Jabbar."
"If opinion is all we have so be it, however someone quoting an opinion is NOT the same as proof. Many years ago, some people were quoted as saying, "the world is flat."
"I remember when I met Hulk Hogan around 1990. I couldn't imagine anyone bigger. Until I saw him standing next to Andre the Giant, Kevin Nash, The Big Show."
Since none of it is relevent to the discussion at hand and it's not anything to do with providing DATA or PROOF to actually back any of his claims.
If all you have are photos of individual tigers, trying to determine their sizes compared to each other you would be next to impossible without a known object in the photos. I suppose if you add some "carnival style" weight guessing then I suppose you can call that proof. Personally, I don't think I would be able to easily determine which animal is larger one that is 400 pounds or one that is 425 pounds. Then again, I don't have a trained eye.
08-13-2014, 02:41 AM( This post was last modified: 08-13-2014, 02:44 AM by Siegfried )
Munna's size just might be overrated. We will NOT KNOW unless he is weighed and measured and his measurements are compared with the measurements of other tigers. The thread is about Munna's size. Not about Boldchamp. Not about Boldchamps photo comparisons. Not about lion v tiger. We can't KNOW whether his size is overrated based on photos of OTHER tigers and opinion. There is NO data on Munna or the tigers you want to compare him with to form opinions, but if that is ok...
08-13-2014, 04:59 PM( This post was last modified: 08-13-2014, 09:17 PM by chaos )
(08-13-2014, 02:20 AM)'Pckts' Wrote:
(08-13-2014, 02:11 AM)'Siegfried' Wrote: I remember when I met Hulk Hogan around 1990. I couldn't imagine anyone bigger. Until I saw him standing next to Andre the Giant, Kevin Nash, The Big Show.
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This is already absurd, but your logic is still flawed.
If you had seen Andre the Giant (who was not wrestling in 1990), Kevin Nash and the Big Show as well as seeing Hulk Hogan, then it would apply.
But you had ONLY seen Hulk Hogan (allegedly) and could not compare him to any other. Unlike these multiple eye witnesses who have seen these tigers (all of them listed) many times and can compare them to eachother.
No offense, you have shown nothing to back your claims while refusing actual evidence that completely disproves what you tried to claim.
Ahem... The term "actual evidence" can be completely disregarded in this situation
as it involves only "estimates". I would suggest you research the true meaning of
the word "estimate". Estimates can be graded on a scale from inaccurate to accurate,
but never offered as 100% proof. As this is a debate thread, I felt the need to clarify.
Carry on.
Overrated size of Munna aka Langda of Kanha National Park
