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Other male lion coalitions from Masai Mara

Greece LionKiss Offline
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( This post was last modified: 12-09-2015, 11:48 PM by LionKiss )

and all these for a freaking cow,

apart from the loss of the lions, if you take it down into numbers all those vets and the whole rescue operation have cost much more than the benefit the locals would have from the cow, awful in every way.
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Yesterday midday the 16 month old sub adult male lion known as Alan (named by the BBC film crew) tragically died at 12.50 pm. Alan had been one of the lions who was poisoned on Saturday and then subsequently treated on Sunday morning. For the most part of Monday and Tuesday he had slowly showing signs of improvement.

At approximately 5.00 am yesterday he was badly injured on the Eastern plains of Rhino Ridge, he suffered multiple wounds from a Cape buffalo. It is not uncommon for Buffalo to attack lion in predator prey aggression.

We called the David Sheldrick Wildlife Trust mobile clinic at 7.15 am, since the water levels in the seasonal river beds were too high to arrive by car Marc Goss of The Mara Elephant project very kindly flew the veterinarian Dr Limo from the Talek river region. While waiting for the team to arrive Alan took refuge under a vehicle until Dr Limo of the Kenya wildlife service’s arrived by air at 10.00 am. Eventually with much trouble, since the sub male was firmly positioned under a vehicle Dr Limo managed to dart Alan by 11.00 am. After close clinical examination it was decided since the wounds inflicted on sub male Alan were too
traumatic and no treatment was available since his lungs had been severely punctured and subsequently had collapsed. Marsh Pride lioness Charm's sub male son was euthanized at 12.50 pm. The autopsy showed
that he had suffered multiple wounds and hemorrhaging was throughout his body; his lungs were too severely damaged and punctured.

We all owe our sincere thanks to the David Sheldrick Wildlife Trust for their continued response, empathy and assistance in the treatment all species. Kind thanks to Mark Goss for his professional response and assistance with his helicopter. Governor’s Camp guides for their continued support, moitoring and empathy for all members of the marsh pride whom many have known since they were cubs.

Update from the Marsh Pride on Facebook
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Greece LionKiss Offline
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that's awful news

i was wondering if the vet crews could put Alan in some kind of shelter in the first day they found out that he was poisoned in order to recover fully.


are there any photos, videos about Alan the whole operation that tool place in the last few days?
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Luxembourg Spalea Offline
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Very sad news...

The wild animals need only one thing: the absence of men, everybody, whoever they are...
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@Spalea,


I disagree, men should intervene and help animals especially animals with a distinct presence such as the Lions or other endangered species.

I believe Alan should not be let free from the first day he was found out as a victim of poisoning, probably the support team could put him in a truck for a few days and monitor him until he was again healthy and strong.
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(12-10-2015, 05:24 PM)LionKiss Wrote: @Spalea,


I disagree, men should intervene and help animals especially animals with a distinct presence such as the Lions or other endangered species.

I believe Alan should not be let free from the first day he was found out as a victim of poisoning, probably the support team could put him in a truck for a few days and monitor him until he was again healthy and strong.

@LionKiss:

Alan was poisonned,  what was it if not an human intervention ?
Endangered species ? Why if not human actions ?

The human action globally is a disaster for the wild life (the 6th global extinction during the Earth story). OK, sometimes we try to repair a local problem...
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i agree humans have messed up with the wild life badly but still there is chance to eliminate incidents like this,
if the local governments offer some kind of compensation for each cow killed by lions local people will not react like this.

now things are very bad,
we have some animals, not only lions dead,
a couple of people have been arrested and face severe charges
poison has entered the biological life,

and all this for how much?  how much does a cow costs, after all?


Nevertheless, Alan could be saved if he had been put in a cage for a few days, I don't know if it is possible but how else could you monitor a sick lion?
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They do offer compensation, these men are standing trial as we speak. They broke the law and will pay for it.
This isn't the first time its happened, this actually happens quite often, just look at the rapid decline of the vultures there, it decimates the eco system. Carcasses pile up in the rivers, bacteria infects the waters which are drank from by the locals and in turn they get sick as well. A lot of time these cows wander in to protected lion habitat as well and the fact that any action is taken against an apex predator that is only trying to squeak out a living in a ever changing habitat is appalling. Its equally as disturbing to me, the gov't needs to compensate efficiently and the villagers need to be patient and go about the right course to be compensated.

It's just a crappy situation for both sides. But it looks as though its getting better, like we see else where. This is a process, change doesn't happen over night, but its happening, I truly believe that.
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There are pictures of his capture and them looking at his wounds, it is on facebook account The Marsh Pride
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Paul Udoto:
For Immediate Release

December 11 2015

RE: Update III on lion poisoning in the Mara and new cases in Kajiado

Kenya Wildlife Service would like to notify the public that no further deaths of wild animals in the Maasai Mara have been reported from the continuing monitoring of the ecosystem.

This follows the deaths of three lions due to suspected poisoning at the weekend. Samples have since been sent to the Government Chemist for analysis and we await the results to conclusively determine the chemical used.

A Kenya Wildlife Service (KWS) veterinary doctor conducted the post mortem examinations on the lion carcasses in the presence of scene of crime officers and collected the samples. 
The remnants of the carcasses were incinerated and buried to prevent possible consumption by other animals. 
At the same time, two suspects were remanded in police custody on Tuesday for two weeks by a Narok court to facilitate investigations. 
The three dead lions were members of the internationally famous Marsh lion pride featured in the popular BBC television series "Big Cat Diary" which aired from 1996 to 2008. 
Meanwhile, carcasses of a lioness and her two cubs from the Mukururo pride were found this morning by a joint KWS and conservation non-governmental organisation Big Life team at Noomau, Mukururo area of Kajiado, two kilometers from Chyullu Hills National Park. 
They were suspected to have been poisoned from observing their body condition. This informed the KWS/Big Life’s decision to burn and bury the carcasses as a precaution to prevent possible spread of poison effects on other animals. 
The lioness known as Mbalueni and her cubs were part of a pride comprising a mature male, three other females and two other cubs. Members of the pride have not been sighted. 
Earlier in the week on Tuesday and Wednesday, the public reported four to five carcasses of cows suspected to have been killed by lions. 
KWS and a local non-governmental organisation Big Life are pursuing suspects as well as the missing lion pride members. 
Kenya Wildlife Service would like to appeal to the public to report cases of lions killing their livestock nearest government offices. They should not resort to poisoning because this is not only a crime but also endangers more livestock and people as well as other animals in the ecosystem. Poisoning is also likely to contaminate livestock grazing areas and water points.
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A beautiful story of Siena (The famous lioness from marsh pride) by Peter Rettig

GOODBYE SIENA
It is time to give up hope to see her again. The Iron Lady is gone!
The 3rd victim of the poisoning incident is the leading lioness of the Marsh Pride. On last Sunday afternoon, 6th of December 2015, remains of an adult lion have been found in the area of the crime. But the carcass has been mauled by hyenas to a degree that no proper ID could be made. As Siena is missing for 6 days now – and we got the information that she was last seen with her 3 sub adults, Charm and her 2 sub adults, Bibi and Tatu – we finally have to assume that Siena is no longer.

Siena was born into the Marsh Pride in the first half of 2005, so she is around 10.5 years old. She is along with Joy and Charm one of those 3 daughters of the Golden Four (Red, White Eye, Bibi and Lispy) called the Three Graces (becoming a Satellite Group of the Marsh Pride until 2010). Almost certainly she is the daughter of Red. The Graces are sisters/litter mates of the famous Notches (Notch II, Long, Caesar, Ron and Grimace).

Siena’s breeding success started in September 2009, when she gave birth to two females. Both females survived! These 2 females are members of the Breakaway Pride today, named Mapema/Musiara and Sila.

The Graces merged with the Marsh Pride in the first quarter of 2010 after their leading lioness RED was killed by the Maasai. After the death of Lispy in April 2011 and the demise of White Eye beginning of 2012 the Marsh Pride was facing a difficult time. Four new males (the Musketeers) had taken over the pride and Joy had left the pride to rescue her cubs from infanticide. Bibi (the last standing of the Golden Four) already was 14 years old at that point and Charm never intending to take a leading role, it was Siena being forced to keep the pride together. It took some time for her to take that role. But finally she did mid of 2012.

End of June 2012 she gave birth to 3 cubs and Siena raised all 3 to adulthood. The male (Red) and the 2 females (Yaya and Dada) are members of the Marsh Pride today. Beginning of 2014 Siena gave birth to 3 cubs again, 1 male and two females. And she managed to pull them through until she passed away. These 3 youngsters should be alive and have joined up with their older brother Red and other members of the Marsh Pride.

For the last 3.5 years Siena was the driving force of the Marsh Pride, she led the way and protected the territory. Siena was a skilled huntress and a fierce cat when need to be. Often she was found with fresh wounds from fights with other lions. Beginning of April 2014 she was badly injured by a Buffalo but pulled through with a helping hand of DSWT. It took a year for her wounds to heal! This year mid of September she was found with terrible wounds again, obviously sustained during a fight with other lions. It was a miracle she pulled through again, determined to raise her young and to protect her pride!

That she has been poisoned by Maasai herders is a disaster, leaving the pride with only one adult female – Charm. Without Siena the Marsh Pride faces very difficult times ahead!
Siena will never be forgotten! She wrote a long chapter in the Chronicles of the Marsh Pride, which will remembered as a time of success against the odds of the ever increasing pressure of the Maasai herders invading Marsh Pride Territory day & night. She was a distinctive looking, determined and powerful lioness. Rest in peace iron lady!

Since end of 2009 several members of the Marsh Pride have been killed by Maasai Herders. These are the devastating chronicles of a pride generating huge amounts of tourism dollars every year and should be the best protected animals in Africa:

- December 2009: Lioness Red, member of the “Golden Four”, poisoned; along
with her 3 cubs

- April 2011: Lioness Lispy, member of the “Golden Four”, speared

- January 2012: Male Lion Clawed; speared

- February 2012: Lioness White Eye, member of the “Golden Four”, speared;
along with one of her sub adult sons

- March/April 2014: one sub adult male and one sub adult female (son & daughter
of Mapema/Musiara); speared

- December 2015: Lioness Bibi, member of the "Golden Four"; poisoned

- December 2015: sub adult male Alan (son of Charm); poisoned


- December 2015: Lioness Siena; poisoned

Beside the listed casualties Bibi’s daughter Kabibi has also been speared in April 2014, but could be rescued by KWS/DSWT. And one of the Marsh Pride Males, the famous Scar, was obviously shot with a gun in April 2014 and could also be rescued by KW/DSWT.
In memory of Siena

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Credit to: Peter Rettig
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( This post was last modified: 12-14-2015, 01:17 AM by LionKiss )

so sad,
Heroic Mother

let's hope the her younger cubs will grow healthy and strong,
the whole situation is not easy, this pride has only one Lioness,


this is an old video about the marsh pride, Siena's grandfathers and mothers must be,




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Made me tear up a little bit there so sad about Siena and the others lions killed by Massai. I hope the Marsh Pride can continue on. Thanks so much @sanjay

She beat the odds with her own strength and the help from humans, then to end up being poisoned by humans, it is such a shame.


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This is the Buffalo Bull that injured her.

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Siena and her cubs

She is one of the most impressive lionesses ive ever seen
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( This post was last modified: 12-14-2015, 06:45 PM by LionKiss )

who is going to take care of those cubs now?


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those two paws full of love are not going to hug this cub again, it is so tragic
those 3 cubs are looking for their mum but can't find her any more


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Maasai Herders have not realized that tourism and foreign visitors will bring more money than their cows, somebody must open their eyes before they kill their GOLDEN COW, which is tourism, forever.
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The Marsh Pride of Lions:
Marsh Pride Update
Over the weeken the Marsh Pride killed a large male buffalo south of the Bila Shaka river bed all 11 lion had eaten well, this was well deserved meal a great sighting to see all of them participating. Red, Tatu, Sienna's three sub adults and Charm with the five lionesses, there were over 50 spotted Hyena and many Black backed Jackals this morning when the marsh pride was feeding; the Hyena eventually had the remains at 10.00 am. Photos are courtesy of Patrick Reynolds, Governors Il Moran Camp Manager

Charm, Charm's daughter and Siena's Son feedin on buffalo

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Tatu on the move

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