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Ordered Big Cat Skull Replicas
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 (05-02-2020, 08:27 AM)Pckts Wrote: I don't think these skulls are accurate though, at least in the canine department. Your canine tooth has finally developed some fissure, and this is the intrinsic nature of the dentition. It could be derived from an abnormally large individual, hence it does explain its overwhelmed size in comparison even to an adult male Amur.  (05-02-2020, 09:44 PM)johnny rex Wrote:(05-02-2020, 06:34 AM)Pckts Wrote: Standard size for both, I was afraid the Amur and Extra Large Lion wouldn't fit well on my shelf. I think I made the right choice though, they both fit great imo. @GrizzlyClaws not only that but the enamel has began to decay on the inside and is slowly turning into powder. I'm not sure if it's an extra large canine or not but there is no chance it could come close to fitting in either Lion or Tiger skull. It's way too tall and thick, it'd burst out the rostrum on top and the side. It seems a bit fishy to me, I'd guess that tooth would need to go in at least a 15"+ skull and I've not heard of Indochinese Tigers with such size. I'll post measurements of the tooth too.  *This image is copyright of its original author Lion  *This image is copyright of its original author Tiger  *This image is copyright of its original author L  *This image is copyright of its original author T  *This image is copyright of its original author L  *This image is copyright of its original author T  *This image is copyright of its original author L  *This image is copyright of its original author T  *This image is copyright of its original author Canines are a little over 2.5" upper and 2" lower. Most likely they used the same exact canines for both of them with is disappointing. I'll post the mandible measurements next.
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 (05-03-2020, 01:16 AM)Pckts Wrote:@"packts" I have the two skulls too, if you measure upper and lower fangs you will see that Siberian Tigers fangs are a lot larger than the ones of the African Lion  (05-03-2020, 01:16 AM)Pckts Wrote: I thought the Extra Large lion skull is 15 and a half inches long and 11 inches wide... Did I miss something? (05-03-2020, 07:48 AM)epaiva Wrote:(05-03-2020, 01:16 AM)Pckts Wrote:@"packts" I only have the standard sized African Lion and Bengal Tiger skulls. The canines they used for them look pretty much the same unfortunately. I was really surprised how much larger my actual Indochinese Tiger canine was, there was no chance of it fitting these 14" skulls.  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author
(05-03-2020, 12:57 AM)Pckts Wrote:(05-02-2020, 09:44 PM)johnny rex Wrote:(05-02-2020, 06:34 AM)Pckts Wrote: If it was truly an Indochinese, maybe it could be a specimen that suffered with gigantism, as the canine tooth looks kinda deformed. Since the deformed dentition could be a manifestation of the gigantism as well. (05-03-2020, 08:20 AM)Pckts Wrote: I wonder if my tooth is a resin cast. I notice that too, since the texture and coloration look odd, but the resin cast usually won't have the fissure like the real dentition. I am wondering how @tigerluver 's opinion on this, since he now has the most elaborate knowledge about this. (05-04-2020, 02:38 AM)GrizzlyClaws Wrote:(05-03-2020, 08:20 AM)Pckts Wrote: I wonder if my tooth is a resin cast. Ya, I was trying to compare to the others we have posted and it it kind of falls between both. It has the root wear marks too. I've never felt any other tooth but my own but it really feels like a real tooth too. I'm surprised it's so large compared to these 14" skulls. I'd guess if it is an actual canine it'd have to come from 15"+ plus skull, no doubt. 
Fakes can be really, really good these days but the coloration of the tooth seems genuine. I went through my tiger database and can't find a tooth that matches that shape however. There superior half of the tooth is much too straight. In tiger, any crack in the enamel has a curved contour, followed the general curvature of the tooth. However in this tooth the crack is straight. Also, the tooth is laterally flattened and not as conical as that of cats. Where in Indochina is the tooth from? To me it very, very, very tentatively looks like a large crocodile tooth from the crocodile farms in countries like Thailand. I can't find a good reference photo but here's a fossil crocodile tooth with similar shape:
 *This image is copyright of its original author Overall, if the tooth is real, I don't think it's that of any cat. Easier and safer for sellers to grab a tooth from a crocodile farm and sell it as that of cat's. (05-04-2020, 03:58 AM)tigerluver Wrote: Fakes can be really, really good these days but the coloration of the tooth seems genuine. I went through my tiger database and can't find a tooth that matches that shape however. There superior half of the tooth is much too straight. In tiger, any crack in the enamel has a curved contour, followed the general curvature of the tooth. However in this tooth the crack is straight. Also, the tooth is laterally flattened and not as conical as that of cats. Where in Indochina is the tooth from? To me it very, very, very tentatively looks like a large crocodile tooth from the crocodile farms in countries like Thailand. I can't find a good reference photo but here's a fossil crocodile tooth with similar shape: It is a full inch longer than the nile croc tooth from Bone Clones. https://boneclones.com/product/nile-crocodile-tooth-KO-159 Maybe they do not belong to the same dentition among the 66 teeth of a croc? (05-05-2020, 01:58 AM)GrizzlyClaws Wrote:(05-04-2020, 03:58 AM)tigerluver Wrote: Fakes can be really, really good these days but the coloration of the tooth seems genuine. I went through my tiger database and can't find a tooth that matches that shape however. There superior half of the tooth is much too straight. In tiger, any crack in the enamel has a curved contour, followed the general curvature of the tooth. However in this tooth the crack is straight. Also, the tooth is laterally flattened and not as conical as that of cats. Where in Indochina is the tooth from? To me it very, very, very tentatively looks like a large crocodile tooth from the crocodile farms in countries like Thailand. I can't find a good reference photo but here's a fossil crocodile tooth with similar shape: It seems a bit more sharp at the tip compared to Croc. Teeth. Croc.  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author I think it looks more like this than the Croc one.  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author It just doesn't have the lines at the tip of the canine.
Can you see inside material beneath the crack? What does it look like? Even in those cat examples, the super half of the tooth is curved unlike the tooth in question. The transition of the contour from curved to straight is just so sudden and no where can we find a similar match. Do agree with identifying it as crocodile being iffy (and thus the very, very, very tentative diagnosis earlier). To be frank, the contour almost looked like a whale tooth but the region and preservation didn't fit.
 *This image is copyright of its original author These alligator somewhat share the shape too but they're much smaller.:  *This image is copyright of its original author The teeth can be sharp as well:  *This image is copyright of its original author On the size, not sure. If it is a farmed crocodile, you may have a big one on your hands. Moreover, crocodiles have many teeth and I don't have the expertise to know all the variations. |
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