Nkuhuma Pride

[Duco Ndona]

Just like coalitions, there is a probably an optimal size for a prides and nine lionesses is pretty likely to be past that number. So them scattering now doesn't seem to odd.

The real question is, is there enough space there for new prides and if not, which group is going to prevail? Reply

[Tr1x24]

(09-26-2023, 10:09 PM)criollo2mil Wrote: Three of the Nkuhuma Lionesses from 2019 litters

Theres only 2 young females, 1 of these is prob Chela or 2016 female.

As for breakaway, i dont think it will happen, as 3 2016 females will be in estrus soon aswell.

So I think its very likely that all Nkuhumas will be under BDMs soon, except maybe 4/5 subs, who will prob need to split for time being (same as current Styx pride situation). Reply

[Tonpa]

Nkuhuma Pride

June 2023

• Three sub-adult males and one adult female were together at Manyelethi Crossing on the 6th. Three adult lionesses were north of Mlowathi Dam on the 16th 
  

July 2023

We had five sightings of the members of the Nkuhuma pride this month. 

• On the 2nd, a single lioness was found on the Gowrie Boundary north of Mlowathi Dam; a few days later, on the 7th, two lionesses, as well as two sub-adult females and three sub-adult males, were further west at Gowrie Circle. One of the younger lionesses in this sighting seemed injured and was being chased by some of the younger males. 
• On the 11th, two sub-adult males and one of the sub-adult females were at Pat’s Drift Koppies.
• The bulk of the pride, consisting of three lionesses, three sub-adult females and four sub-adult males, were seen south of Clarendon Dam on the 13th. 
• Later in the month, on the 28th, 14 members of the pride were found with small remains of an unknown carcass east of the Matshapiri River, quite far north along its course. 
  

August 2023

We had 11 sightings of the Nkuhuma Pride this month.

• On the 2nd, four young males were on the MalaMala Flockfield Boundary west of the KNP Break. They were north of Matshapiri Dam the next day. 
• On the 10th, a female killed one pup at the Cape hunting dog's den south of the Gowrie Boundary. 
• On the 18th, four of the young males were at Clarendon Dam with their father, the Northern Avoca male, while three lionesses and the seven sub-adults of the pride were at Matshapiri Dam. 
• On the 20th , at least 14 members of the pride and the Northern Avoca male killed a buffalo bull at Buffalo Bush Dam, which was stolen the following day by the two Ndhzenga males and three lionesses of the Kambula Pride. The Nkuhuma Pride had moved north and were at Matshapiri Dam. 
• On the 27th, two of the young males and the Northern Avoca male killed a buffalo at Emsagwen Waterhole. Two other young males from the pride joined them the next day before the two Ndhzenga males chased them away. 
• On the 30th, two of the young males were east of Pat’s Drift Koppies. 
  

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[Tonpa]

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[KM600]

(10-01-2023, 03:03 PM)Tonpa Wrote:

Guessing this is the most developed NK YM, similar mane development to the elder Talamati YM Reply

[criollo2mil]

(10-01-2023, 04:36 PM)KM600 Wrote:

(10-01-2023, 03:03 PM)Tonpa Wrote:

Guessing this is the most developed NK YM, similar mane development to the elder Talamati YM

Yes,,,,this is the Eldest...Ridge Nose Son! Reply

[KM600]

This was prolly the reason why the NSW ventured further North from their territory aswell, hearing the commotion. As long as Nkuhumas keep playing it smart and avoiding BDMs until they’re ready, they should eventually overthrow them.

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[Horizon]

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Despite a natural aversion to water, the Nkuhuma Pride didn’t let a waterhole stand in their way of taking this buffalo down. In fact, they used the mud to their advantage, slowing the mammoth beast down, and making it literally impossible to get away. Reply

[Tr1x24]

(10-03-2023, 07:29 PM)KM600 Wrote: As long as Nkuhumas keep playing it smart and avoiding BDMs until they’re ready, they should eventually overthrow them.

I dont think that will happen, they would basically takeover their natal area and pride, and that rarely happens.

Cases like Tintswalos and Mbiris are rare, and it only happened because Orpen males died and left vacant space for Tintswalos to stay, if Orpens didnt die, Tintswalos would prob not stay there. Reply

[NLAL11]

(10-03-2023, 07:29 PM)KM600 Wrote: This was prolly the reason why the NSW ventured further North from their territory aswell, hearing the commotion. As long as Nkuhumas keep playing it smart and avoiding BDMs until they’re ready, they should eventually overthrow them.

And why would we want the Nkuhuma young males to take over their natal pride? Reply

[KM600]

(10-03-2023, 08:44 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(10-03-2023, 07:29 PM)KM600 Wrote: As long as Nkuhumas keep playing it smart and avoiding BDMs until they’re ready, they should eventually overthrow them.

I dont think that will happen, they would basically takeover their natal area and pride, and that rarely happens.

Cases like Tintswalos and Mbiris are rare, and it only happened because Orpen males died and left vacant space for Tintswalos to stay, if Orpens didnt die, Tintswalos would prob not stay there.

I think it could happen if Mohawk committed to him and his sons being a coalition, I was more on about ousting them from the North or atleast making the BDMs settle down. U could argue that the BDMs pretty much control the Northern Part of SS, despite the presence of two pride males in S8 and Mohawk, this doesn’t mean they control it well as they should have overthrown atleast one of them by now but they’ve won every encounter whether it’s against the Mohawk and the Nkuhumas, S8 with Talamati breakaway, both Talamati YMs, even the two NSW when they ventured further North earlier this year. I don’t think they can risk being this aggressive in the future as I’m expecting the lion dynamics of males in the area to significantly improve. Reply

[KM600]

(10-03-2023, 09:13 PM)NLAL11 Wrote:

(10-03-2023, 07:29 PM)KM600 Wrote: This was prolly the reason why the NSW ventured further North from their territory aswell, hearing the commotion. As long as Nkuhumas keep playing it smart and avoiding BDMs until they’re ready, they should eventually overthrow them.

And why would we want the Nkuhuma young males to take over their natal pride?

It’s not about what u want or what I want, it’s a possibility Reply

[Tylermartin!]

(10-03-2023, 09:18 PM)KM600 Wrote:

(10-03-2023, 09:13 PM)NLAL11 Wrote:

(10-03-2023, 07:29 PM)KM600 Wrote: This was prolly the reason why the NSW ventured further North from their territory aswell, hearing the commotion. As long as Nkuhumas keep playing it smart and avoiding BDMs until they’re ready, they should eventually overthrow them.

And why would we want the Nkuhuma young males to take over their natal pride?

It’s not about what u want or what I want, it’s a possibility

It doesn’t matter tbh if they continue to grown and nobody pushes them out they will stay but if someone pushes them out after a “physical” altercation then they will leave but they are far away from being a strong coalition Reply

[Mapokser]

I'm also feeling that it is likely that we'll wake up one day to see Mohawk and the Nkuhumas chasing the BDM.

Normally the new coalition would have ousted Mohawk, scattered NK males and pressured the pride strongly a year ago. Seeing how things are right now, unless some other coalition like Kambula does it, Mohawk and NK will eventually get the advantage over BDM.

I think all 4 NK are over 4yo now, they're all ththe size of prime lions, one is a few months older and they have been seen roaring on a few occasions... How many months until these 5 lions decide they don't want to run from only 2? Especially when Mohawk was territorial for a long time? Especially when the bloodline of these NK are known for being precocious?

Maybe NK will eventually decide to move off and become fully nomadic on their own, but for now it doesn't look like it's happening and the BDM are almost beyond their ability to hold the edge against a coalition of 5. Reply

[Duco Ndona]

It depends on how the lions themselves see the situation. 

If the see themselves as nomadic, they will likely claim this area, realize its worthless and then begin harrasing neighbouring groups. 
If they still see themselves as cubs. They are just cubs hanging out in their natal territory. Once they reach the point they start seeing themselves as adults they will likely disperse on their own. Reply