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N'waswitshaka males

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(06-16-2024, 04:35 PM)T_Ferguson Wrote:
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(06-15-2024, 10:29 PM)T_Ferguson Wrote: Well, for all those that talk about the size of these guys.  K6 and Eronji

Yea K6 is big, but this is a bit of camera angle and their position aswell.

When walking towards camera, K6 is clearly closer to the camera and on higher ground compared to OE (look their pawn height position), so she appears bigger then she actually is. 

If they would both be on same distance from camera and on same ground lvl, size diff wouldnt be that noticable.

She's still a big girl.  It's rare for a lioness to be that close in size to a dominant male, and she's been seen alongside almost all of them in Sabi, and the same comparisons fly every single time.  At some point we have to say that camera angle is one thing, but she is a VERY big lioness.  I wonder if her size and her infertility are somehow related.

There was a maned lioness in Botswana, if memory serves her name was Mamariri, and she was exceptionally large. I think there was more than one, in different prides, and they were all in the Delta. She was really big, muscular, and even her roar was deep like a male's, but she was treated like a female by her pride. I don't recall if she was infertile or not, though.
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I dont think her being infertile has anything to do with her size.

Some of her Mhangeni mothers where huge, Tinya is huge, her sisters where/are huge.

Its just genes.

Same as we have big and small males, we have big and small females.
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(06-16-2024, 06:59 PM)BA0701 Wrote:
(06-16-2024, 04:35 PM)T_Ferguson Wrote:
(06-16-2024, 03:03 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:
(06-15-2024, 10:29 PM)T_Ferguson Wrote: Well, for all those that talk about the size of these guys.  K6 and Eronji

Yea K6 is big, but this is a bit of camera angle and their position aswell.

When walking towards camera, K6 is clearly closer to the camera and on higher ground compared to OE (look their pawn height position), so she appears bigger then she actually is. 

If they would both be on same distance from camera and on same ground lvl, size diff wouldnt be that noticable.

She's still a big girl.  It's rare for a lioness to be that close in size to a dominant male, and she's been seen alongside almost all of them in Sabi, and the same comparisons fly every single time.  At some point we have to say that camera angle is one thing, but she is a VERY big lioness.  I wonder if her size and her infertility are somehow related.

There was a maned lioness in Botswana, if memory serves her name was Mamariri, and she was exceptionally large. I think there was more than one, in different prides, and they were all in the Delta. She was really big, muscular, and even her roar was deep like a male's, but she was treated like a female by her pride. I don't recall if she was infertile or not, though.

I know her and she was infertile. A guide told me that.
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IIRC inn case of ligers, their size is being attributed to that, them being hybrids, they don't inherit some sort of a grow inhibitor that is normally passed on by lionesses. Perhaps that's something that doesn't work properly (fully) in case of K6, might be due to a hormonal issue, might be not.
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( This post was last modified: 06-17-2024, 06:43 PM by BA0701 )

This is an old-ish video but it's really interesting seeing adult males being this playful.



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(06-17-2024, 07:35 AM)Rabubi Wrote: This is an old-ish video but it's really interesting seeing adult males being this playful.




Fixed it for you. That is a YT shorts video, which requires a special procedure to get embedded. The procedure is outlined here:

https://wildfact.com/forum/topic-embeddi...-your-post
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(06-17-2024, 06:44 PM)BA0701 Wrote:
(06-17-2024, 07:35 AM)Rabubi Wrote: This is an old-ish video but it's really interesting seeing adult males being this playful.




Fixed it for you. That is a YT shorts video, which requires a special procedure to get embedded. The procedure is outlined here:

https://wildfact.com/forum/topic-embeddi...-your-post
I was wondering why it wouldn't play.

Many thanks for the assistance and information my friend
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Boys successfully chased PCMs out of their territory in Londolozi:

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(Yesterday, 12:07 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote: Boys successfully chased PCMs out of their territory in Londolozi:


The PCMs do not take no for an answer often, perhaps they decided the juice was not worth the squeeze. Regardless of why they left, discretion being the better part of valor won the day! I, for one, and glad of it.
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The PCM have never been defeated before, since they became territorial the closest thing to a "defeat" was chasing nomadic NK/Nhenha to Tumbela's territory, hearing 2 Tumbela and 3 Othawa females roaring and not replying.

And they weren't even 5yo by then.

This is the first seemingly confirmed time they not only entertained a back and forth chase ( which I thought they never would in a 2v2 ) but as well as being defeated in the end.

I guess it is a bit ironic that the defeat came from the Ndhzengas who perhaps most thought weren't on PCM level, even multiple guides straight up said it or implied it as well.

I for instance believed PCM to be stronger than they are and Ndhzengas although also strong, not at their level, but I should have added more emphasis to the fact NK/Nhenha was the only territorial coalition to have faced PCM before.

But anyway, Mantimahle aside, we've seen that all 3 duos are very strong and if they aren't unlucky tjey won't be ousted by other duos.

I'm happy that Ntsevu and Kambulas, 2 of my favorite prides, are protected by such competent males, it's just a shame there are only 2 of them left, which makes them vulnerable in that area since it is wide open in every direction, including Kruger, still perhaps it is not entirely a bad thing, having only 2 members may make them less willing to expand and abadon their offspring like they did before.
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(Yesterday, 01:36 AM)Mapokser Wrote: The PCM have never been defeated before, since they became territorial the closest thing to a "defeat" was chasing nomadic NK/Nhenha to Tumbela's territory, hearing 2 Tumbela and 3 Othawa females roaring and not replying.

And they weren't even 5yo by then.

This is the first seemingly confirmed time they not only entertained a back and forth chase ( which I thought they never would in a 2v2 ) but as well as being defeated in the end.

I guess it is a bit ironic that the defeat came from the Ndhzengas who perhaps most thought weren't on PCM level, even multiple guides straight up said it or implied it as well.

I for instance believed PCM to be stronger than they are and Ndhzengas although also strong, not at their level, but I should have added more emphasis to the fact NK/Nhenha was the only territorial coalition to have faced PCM before.

But anyway, Mantimahle aside, we've seen that all 3 duos are very strong and if they aren't unlucky tjey won't be ousted by other duos.

I'm happy that Ntsevu and Kambulas, 2 of my favorite prides, are protected by such competent males, it's just a shame there are only 2 of them left, which makes them vulnerable in that area since it is wide open in every direction, including Kruger, still perhaps it is not entirely a bad thing, having only 2 members may make them less willing to expand and abadon their offspring like they did before.

Can we call it a defeat?  They went into a territory... one they know they can't possibly hold, found there were 2 males (same number as themselves), holding it down and decided ... meh... The FAFO scale isn't high enough here.  We'll keep our 40% of the rest of Sabi back here behind us.
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They challenged the Ndhzengas ( even guide said that ), chased them back and forth for 2 hours until they eventually failed and got chased out.

Ndhzengas won and PCM lost, assuming the report is true.

Not a mystery.
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(Yesterday, 03:09 AM)Mapokser Wrote: They challenged the Ndhzengas ( even guide said that ), chased them back and forth for 2 hours until they eventually failed and got chased out.

Ndhzengas won and PCM lost, assuming the report is true.

Not a mystery.

Won't argue the point, but a defeat would be one of them got a chunk chewed on...
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(Yesterday, 03:32 AM)T_Ferguson Wrote:
(Yesterday, 03:09 AM)Mapokser Wrote: They challenged the Ndhzengas ( even guide said that ), chased them back and forth for 2 hours until they eventually failed and got chased out.

Ndhzengas won and PCM lost, assuming the report is true.

Not a mystery.

Won't argue the point, but a defeat would be one of them got a chunk chewed on...

I agree unless there were signs of them being meters away from a skirmish starting to happen and they run away with their tails between their legs. 

At this stage it's some roaring back and forth and prior to this the PC Males have been giving nothing but praise in regard to their response to intruders, patrolling and keeping their territory safe.

Now it appears the narrative has changed and the PC Males strength, size and confidence has been overrated because of this so called back and forth with Ndhzenga's and not running the Ndhzenga's into the ground and destroying them. Unless there's clear video footage of the Ndzhengas nipping at the PC males heels and running for their lives then it's just speculation they were cowards.
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