N'waswitshaka males

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The gored N'waswitshaka male feeding of a hippo carcass at Kirkman's Kamp
Image by: Eckson Sithole
Kirkman's Kamp,Date: 18-11-20

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[Cunaguaro]

These "guys" are starting to look really cool and powerful! Reply

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Totally agree with you @Cunaguaro 
These boys have grown a lot since their arrival in Sabi Sands. Now they seems to be dominant over at least two prides. Extremely good news knowing that they're just 4.5 and 5 years old males Reply

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We came across one of the N’waswishaka male lions who was constantly calling, possibly for other members of his coalition.  It wasn’t too long before they reunited and began marking territory.
Sabi Sabi PGR-Posted on November 20/2020.
Photo credits to: Andries Ndlovu and Ronald Mutero

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One of the four N'waswitshaka males accompanied with a probably Styx female.
Lion Sands River Lodge Hotel-Posted on November 20/2020.
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[Tr1x24]

Orange Eyes defending his kill, 2 months ago:

https://www.facebook.com/107573500923512...616308633/

Idk why, but this guy reminds me of young Tinyo, smallest among his brothers, but with big lion heart.. Reply

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One three male lions that were saw yesterday at Lion Sands Game Reserve
They were not the most active cats but still good to see.
Lion Sands-Sabi Sands.
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24-11-2020

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1/4 impressive N'waswitshaka/Ndhzenga Males at Lion Sands Game Reserve
Lion Sands Gane Reserve-Sabi Sands-11/24/2020
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[Slayerd]

Thsese guys are being seen alot in S Avoca territory. Southern Mala Mala, Kirkmans Kamp, Eastern Lion Sands. I wonder if they're pushing East more instead of North which is Bboys territory. We don't know their confidence levels after the Bboys chased them but it seems they are not stepping back into northern Sabi Sabi where the Bboys chased them. Reply

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(11-25-2020, 02:04 AM)Slayerd Wrote: Thsese guys are being seen alot in S Avoca territory. Southern Mala Mala, Kirkmans Kamp, Eastern Lion Sands. I wonder if they're pushing East more instead of North which is Bboys territory. We don't know their confidence levels after the Bboys chased them but it seems they are not stepping back into northern Sabi Sabi where the Bboys chased them.

Who knows,They're moving for everywhere, as well as we can seen in this picture the N'waswitshaka males have grown a lot in the past months! When the two BBoys chased them off at Sabi Sabi they not were even close in this good shape and size,Then only time will tell what they will do in a future... Reply

[Tr1x24]

(11-25-2020, 02:04 AM)Slayerd Wrote: Thsese guys are being seen alot in S Avoca territory. Southern Mala Mala, Kirkmans Kamp, Eastern Lion Sands. I wonder if they're pushing East more instead of North which is Bboys territory. We don't know their confidence levels after the Bboys chased them but it seems they are not stepping back into northern Sabi Sabi where the Bboys chased them.

Video of them vs crocs in MalaMala was on border of Bboys, where Bboys and Kambulas can be seen, thats the area where Bboys chased them last time, so its not like they are scared to go there again:

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(11-25-2020, 03:05 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(11-25-2020, 02:04 AM)Slayerd Wrote: Thsese guys are being seen alot in S Avoca territory. Southern Mala Mala, Kirkmans Kamp, Eastern Lion Sands. I wonder if they're pushing East more instead of North which is Bboys territory. We don't know their confidence levels after the Bboys chased them but it seems they are not stepping back into northern Sabi Sabi where the Bboys chased them.

Video of them vs crocs in MalaMala was on border of Bboys, where Bboys and Kambulas can be seen, thats the area where Bboys chased them last time, so its not like they are scared to go there again:

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That's actually not where the Bboys and Kambula frequent, they're mostly go as far south as just south of Rattray's camp which borders their Sabi Sabi territory as well. I've spoken to Sabi Sabi guides and they have not gone back to where the Bboys chased them since it happened. Reply

[Slayerd]

(11-25-2020, 02:17 AM)TinoArmando Wrote:

(11-25-2020, 02:04 AM)Slayerd Wrote: Thsese guys are being seen alot in S Avoca territory. Southern Mala Mala, Kirkmans Kamp, Eastern Lion Sands. I wonder if they're pushing East more instead of North which is Bboys territory. We don't know their confidence levels after the Bboys chased them but it seems they are not stepping back into northern Sabi Sabi where the Bboys chased them.

Who knows,They're moving for everywhere, as well as we can seen in this picture the N'waswitshaka males have grown a lot in the past months! When the two BBoys chased them off at Sabi Sabi they not were even close in this good shape and size,Then only time will tell what they will do in a future...

Size doesn't really boost confidence, experience does and like I told Tr1, they havent been seen back in that area since they were chased. Kevin Richardson once said , Lions have memories based on experience and that is how they learn and adapt. These memories are triggered by their senses. So if a Lion was told by Kevin Richardson to not go to a specific area or do a specific thing, they won't unless instincts kick in. This behavior is simply taught by a small smack on the nose or a dominant posture by Kevin that lets the lions know what they can and can't do such as biting him. Apply this to the N'waswitshaka, the Bboys told them don't come here or I will kill you. This experience is basically telling them, don't go there, its dangerous. Unless they break the rule and decide to go there once or twice, it will boost their confidence and make them go there but if again they are met with an aggressive reaction by the Bboys, their past experience will tell them to run away. The Southern Avocas on the other hand are not telling them to go away so their confidence is rising and they are going further and further. They might end up meeting the Bboys if they go north on Mala Mala and the Bboys response will decide how the N'waswitshaka will react. Reply

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(11-25-2020, 04:25 AM)Slayerd Wrote:

(11-25-2020, 02:17 AM)TinoArmando Wrote:

(11-25-2020, 02:04 AM)Slayerd Wrote: Thsese guys are being seen alot in S Avoca territory. Southern Mala Mala, Kirkmans Kamp, Eastern Lion Sands. I wonder if they're pushing East more instead of North which is Bboys territory. We don't know their confidence levels after the Bboys chased them but it seems they are not stepping back into northern Sabi Sabi where the Bboys chased them.

Who knows,They're moving for everywhere, as well as we can seen in this picture the N'waswitshaka males have grown a lot in the past months! When the two BBoys chased them off at Sabi Sabi they not were even close in this good shape and size,Then only time will tell what they will do in a future...

Size doesn't really boost confidence, experience does and like I told Tr1, they havent been seen back in that area since they were chased. Kevin Richardson once said , Lions have memories based on experience and that is how they learn and adapt. These memories are triggered by their senses. So if a Lion was told by Kevin Richardson to not go to a specific area or do a specific thing, they won't unless instincts kick in. This behavior is simply taught by a small smack on the nose or a dominant posture by Kevin that lets the lions know what they can and can't do such as biting him. Apply this to the N'waswitshaka, the Bboys told them don't come here or I will kill you. This experience is basically telling them, don't go there, its dangerous. Unless they break the rule and decide to go there once or twice, it will boost their confidence and make them go there but if again they are met with an aggressive reaction by the Bboys, their past experience will tell them to run away. The Southern Avocas on the other hand are not telling them to go away so their confidence is rising and they are going further and further. They might end up meeting the Bboys if they go north on Mala Mala and the Bboys response will decide how the N'waswitshaka will react.

Actually, The size matters the N'waswitshaka were very smaller males at that time plus not were well feed they had lack of confidence and never were involved a on fight before. Now they have been mating with the Styx pride and had a fight with the DeLaporte males... The BBoys are getting older and they perhaps want avoid confrontation against other lions. Reply

[Slayerd]

(11-25-2020, 04:47 AM)TinoArmando Wrote:

(11-25-2020, 04:25 AM)Slayerd Wrote:

(11-25-2020, 02:17 AM)TinoArmando Wrote:

(11-25-2020, 02:04 AM)Slayerd Wrote: Thsese guys are being seen alot in S Avoca territory. Southern Mala Mala, Kirkmans Kamp, Eastern Lion Sands. I wonder if they're pushing East more instead of North which is Bboys territory. We don't know their confidence levels after the Bboys chased them but it seems they are not stepping back into northern Sabi Sabi where the Bboys chased them.

Who knows,They're moving for everywhere, as well as we can seen in this picture the N'waswitshaka males have grown a lot in the past months! When the two BBoys chased them off at Sabi Sabi they not were even close in this good shape and size,Then only time will tell what they will do in a future...

Size doesn't really boost confidence, experience does and like I told Tr1, they havent been seen back in that area since they were chased. Kevin Richardson once said , Lions have memories based on experience and that is how they learn and adapt. These memories are triggered by their senses. So if a Lion was told by Kevin Richardson to not go to a specific area or do a specific thing, they won't unless instincts kick in. This behavior is simply taught by a small smack on the nose or a dominant posture by Kevin that lets the lions know what they can and can't do such as biting him. Apply this to the N'waswitshaka, the Bboys told them don't come here or I will kill you. This experience is basically telling them, don't go there, its dangerous. Unless they break the rule and decide to go there once or twice, it will boost their confidence and make them go there but if again they are met with an aggressive reaction by the Bboys, their past experience will tell them to run away. The Southern Avocas on the other hand are not telling them to go away so their confidence is rising and they are going further and further. They might end up meeting the Bboys if they go north on Mala Mala and the Bboys response will decide how the N'waswitshaka will react.

Actually, The size matters the N'waswitshaka were very smaller males at that time plus not were well feed they had lack of confidence and never were involved a on fight before. Now they have been mating with the Styx pride and had a fight with the DeLaporte males... The BBoys are getting older and they perhaps want avoid confrontation against other lions.

Like I just said, confidence and experience matters more than just size. And like I just explained using the knowledge of Kevin Richardson, this is how lions live and learn. Just because a bunch of people on Wildfact and other groups think the way they want, doesn't mean it's how lions themselves think and behave Reply