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Modern Weights and Measurements of Leopards

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Older measurements of a Javan Leopard or Panther.



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source: Udjung Kulon: The Land of the Last Javan Rhinoceros (1970)  By A. Hoogerwerf



The measurements of the Javan Leopards indicated that they were smaller than their Indian counterparts. 

One Javan Leopard from Bogor, West Java was measured to be 45 kg.




However, a recently captured Javan Leopard was heavier than the previously mentioned Leopard, weighing in at 50 kg.


"From media reports there was news about two Javan leopard that had been caught in Girimukti. One leopard came from Ciangsana and was caught on 12 October 2013.
The sex of the leopard was male, and its age is approximately 7-8 years old with 50 kg body weight. This leopard was evacuated to Bogor Safari Park"


source: PARTASASMITA, RUHYAT, et al. "Human-Leopard Conflict in Girimukti Village, Sukabumi, Indonesia." Biodiversitas Journal of Biological Diversity 17.2 (2016).
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@Pckts

While we know that it will take much time to get a full sample for North Iranian Male leopards, apart from the 88 kg male you said there was a sample where 3 of them surpassed 80 kgs in weight.
Are you able to give me all the weights recorded from Northern males you got from the scientist so I can start making a small sample? Thanks

@Luipaard  maybe you can help me by collecting all the weights of adult male leopards from north Iran only, Mazaran province to Golestan etc.

I will try to get a contemporary average for them
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(07-24-2021, 06:42 PM)LoveAnimals Wrote: @Pckts

While we know that it will take much time to get a full sample for North Iranian Male leopards, apart from the 88 kg male you said there was a sample where 3 of them surpassed 80 kgs in weight.
Are you able to give me all the weights recorded from Northern males you got from the scientist so I can start making a small sample? Thanks

@Luipaard  maybe you can help me by collecting all the weights of adult male leopards from north Iran only, Mazaran province to Golestan etc.

I will try to get a contemporary average for them



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(07-24-2021, 06:42 PM)LoveAnimals Wrote: I will try to get a contemporary average for them


If i were you, i would simply try to be less specific in your objectives.

It's easier to focus on the species.

Weights are easy to come by in google scholar. Here [and that applies to any mammals you would like to research] how. 

1. Use Google Scholar 
2. Using " " is a highly important and key element 
3. It will have the word or words featured in the " " in the text and will have less number of entries.

This sample of leopards of Iran is just a portion of the weights i compiled for leopards in my pastimes.

Try this on google scholar : "Panthera pardus" "Weight" "kg" or simply "Panthera Pardus" "kg"

It will become way easier for you to find weights.
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(07-25-2021, 12:59 AM)TheNormalGuy Wrote: Try this on google scholar : "Panthera pardus" "Weight" "kg" or simply "Panthera Pardus" "kg"

It will become way easier for you to find weights.
Well the sample you gave is only from Tandoureh while it excludes Golestan, Mazaran and the other area where the 88 kg male was captured (including the other area where the 95 kg male was euthanized, which I don't remember the name).
Furthermore that sample is more than incomplete, the
61 kg average is derived from a range that has as max only 75 kgs which is not an accurate claim since we know that persian leopards, being the largest leopard population, would have 90-95 kg as max and not only 75 kg so that sample, being only from Tandoureh, is far from being enough to determine a final average for North persian leopards since it's missing all the 80+ kg males. Even a few Indian leopards, smaller than both African and Persian leoparda have been reported to reach 80 kg but the largest confirmed is 78 kg. 

Second, about searching Panthera Pardus kg, 
I've done that already several times, thing is that I'm not focusing myself on Panthera Pardus generally, cause Google gives me even weight of the smallest subspecies which I'm not interested at atm, but on Panthera Pardus Saxicolor and more specifically the north Iranian population.

Since all sites seem to be more likely outdated right now, they mostly include weights from all Persian Leopard populations including the ones from south that produce 40-65 kg males which are unimpressive. The thing is that, idk if you read my previous post on page 17, there's a chance that North Persian leopards could average almost like Pantanal Jaguaresses, between mid to high 70s. If this is true you know what the result could be? This would make the largest Leopard subspecies bigger on average than the largest Cougar subspecies and debunk the idea that these leopards average 67 kg while it could be some or multiple kgs more.
And since there is no sample yet that includes ONLY North Iranian males, I'm interested to find out their true real average to see if they can be really close to pantanal jaguaresses and slightly larger than Patagonian cougars.

This is why I'm not searching simply "panthera Pardus" since internet always gives the same average of 60 kg which is likely outdated since there are even African leopard populations pushing around 69-70 kg as average.
But yes if we include all leopard subspecies even the smallest ones from Cape and Arabia the total average is around 60 kg for males.

But we already know that since dawn of time, now I'm interested exclusively in north Iranian males where most 80-90 kg males have been recorded.
 Even Pckts notices a kind of frequency for these leopards growing larger when he said, on a Carnivora thread :

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My guess would be that they are the largest Leopards alive today and average around mid to high 70s.

There are 3 different specimen from that area that have reached above 80kg so just the frequency of that, I'd say it's likely.

Just based off the two conversations I have going and the males I've been shown, I think if we broke down the population to just the Northern Specimens, I'd imagine the mid to high 70kg would be likely although I can't confirm that and obviously Farhadinia holds more weight than me. But if a Leopard sub species is producing multiple 80kg + specimen, I'd say there is a good chance  for a decent average, I guess slightly below Pantanal Females only because we've not seen a 100kg specimen yet, let alone multiples but it's certainly close. "

Of course this is just an estimate so that's why I'm so interested in seeing if it is true or not, just to confirm or debunk it.
Fact is that this could be a revolutionary fact for leopard and put it on a bigger size level than before.
Since always it has been said Persians leopards averaged only 65-66 kgs, now there's the possibility that one persian population could exceed Cougar averages (Cougar always seen as the bigger animal till these days) and reducing distance from Pantanal jaguaresses. 
Can't you feel the difference?

That's why I'm so interested in it. This could really change things, leopards are known to average generally 56-65 kg worldwide so an average close to 80 kgs (that's what high 70s means) could be an excellent discovery wouldn't it? But of course this is just an estimate atm. 
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Actually, I’ve added up a bunch of Persian leopard weights (the sample size is close to 40 atm), and the adult males averaged exactly 70kg. These leopards were from Iran and other Persian countries. If you want I can make a chart or something
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@"LoveAnimals" 

Craniometrical data already suggests larger Persian leopards tend to originate from Northern Iran as is stated in the following study:

Quote:Our craniometrical results revealed that while no differentiation is seen based on size or shape characteristics from different parts of Iran, larger individuals normally belong to the northern range.

Quote:Conversely, exceptionally large skull sizes were found in the north of the country, particularly Alborz and Golestan. Slightly larger skull size of the leopards in northern Iran might be argued based on Bergmann’s rule, stating that within warm-blooded vertebrate species, individuals in races from colder climates or higher latitudes are generally larger than those from races living in warmer regions or lower latitudes

Quote:Prey body mass, habitat productivity and better energy accessibility have been known to be correlated with predator mass (Rosenzweig, 1968; Gittleman, 1985; Iriarte et al., 1990; Carbone, Teacher & Rowcliffe, 2007). In northern forested areas of Iran, the leopards partially feed on Maral red deer (Cervus elaphus maral) (Ziaie, 2008; Sharbafi et al., Unpublished data), the leopard’s largest prey species in west Asia, which is absent from the Zagros region. Moreover, wild boars of larger body mass have been recorded in northern Iran (Tajbakhsh & Jamali, 1995). Therefore, the leopard’s larger body size in northern Iran might be due to larger prey individuals, while in southern Iran energetics may place physiological constraints on body size due to the range of smaller prey items

The study is Molecular and craniological analysis of leopard, Panthera pardus (Carnivora: Felidae) in Iran: Support for a monophyletic clade in Western Asia
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(07-25-2021, 04:25 PM)Luipaard Wrote: Craniometrical data already suggests larger Persian leopards tend to originate from Northern Iran as is stated in the following study:
Problem is that a sample for average size is missing atm
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(07-25-2021, 04:28 PM)LoveAnimals Wrote:
(07-25-2021, 04:25 PM)Luipaard Wrote: Craniometrical data already suggests larger Persian leopards tend to originate from Northern Iran as is stated in the following study:

Problem is that a sample for average size is missing atm

Yes, we know that they're larger but we don't know by how much exactly. You can however expect them to weigh at least 70kg for adult males given the fact that they already average 66kg in a sample that includes leopards Southern and Central Iran as well.
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(07-25-2021, 06:01 AM)Twico5 Wrote: These leopards were from Iran and other Persian countries. If you want I can make a chart or something
This would be really nice man, does it also indicate which persian area all the leopards are from? So I can just select from the sample all the northern persian ones to create an average for the average.

Thank you by the way
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(07-27-2021, 12:10 AM)LoveAnimals Wrote:
(07-25-2021, 06:01 AM)Twico5 Wrote: These leopards were from Iran and other Persian countries. If you want I can make a chart or something
This would be really nice man, does it also indicate which persian area all the leopards are from? So I can just select from the sample all the northern persian ones to create an average for the average.

Thank you by the way

Most of the weights (21 so about half of them) are from Faradinha’s sample, so no. But I’m sure you can find out where those weights were collected from by contacting him. If I make a chart, I’ll include location of the individual weights I found.
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Branders Leopard hunts and observations 

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Old record mentioning a 96 kg male leopard trapped in South Africa

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16 captive male leopards averaged 50,5kg:


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Source: Comparative Efficacy of Yohimbine and Tolazoline for Antagonism of Ketamine-Xylazine Induced Sedation in Captive Wild Felids
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