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(02-10-2024, 02:09 AM)Ngonya Wrote: Jafar is not only notorious for its great weight and size at such a young age, but also for being in a coalition with Scar(possibly his brother) "Since their arrival to Caiman, males Suki, Hades, and Paschoal have not been seen, and young males Mango and Acerola have been seen less. Jafar and Scar joining forces makes sense to keep control of the highly sought-after territory of Caiman which harbors a huge amount of females and prey, together they can keep other males at bay. We will follow their journey very closely."
(01-19-2024, 12:52 AM)Dragonman Wrote: Hello, I am new here but I have a few questions regarding Jaguar weights on your well constructed table. There are a few weights there that may be inaccurate that I want to address. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong
The Lopez Weight by Hoogelstein is the largest weight of Jaguars so far in the 1990s. In the original message sent by Hoogelstein he said In the original Spanish text – “no hay forma de saber si tenia el estomago vacio o lleno, o cuan vacio/lleno” which translates to “there is no way to know if the stomach was empty or full, or how empty/full”
couldn't this mean that the jaguar had some food in him but wasn't empty? wouldn't this mean he definitely ate some food before his capture? Therefore meaning that 148kg is not a reliable figure for the weight of Lopez and not an actual figure that should be added to the table.
Dr Guy Balme, the capture specialist, standing right next to this jaguar just as he had been weighed, states “he’s fat because he’s eaten but he’s not overly gorged, he’s not excessively gorged”.
The YouTube translation is there, so I don't understand why he is being claimed to be flat, and not fat. If you have anything to disprove this I would be open to seeing this, but if he was verbatim stated to be fat, then why in this forum is he claimed to be "flat"?
Also, @Pckts, you stated it yourself that Robusto was full, and thus, his 137kg weight should not be accounted for
*This image is copyright of its original author
Also, another individual (whose name I will not mention) got confirmation from Edu himself about both of these weights being jaguars that were full and thus, unreliable
*This image is copyright of its original author
So there is a verbatim statement that Shaka was in fact full from Edu himself who was there at his capture. I will not address his claim for robusto as he was not there during capture, so I don't care for it. Moving On:
Now as for Matheus, he was not confirmed to be in poor health but rather joyfully reported to have been 118kg and 121kg in his 3rd and second capture. Now I also recall there being a fire around the time of his second or 3rd capture that limited food resources.
*This image is copyright of its original author
So right now I'm wondering, considering that Mattheus was so young when captured, and that 134kg is an outlier compared to his more recent 121 and 118kg, wouldn't it be deduced that it was stomach content that made him up to 134kg? Because at the points he was captured he was still 5 years old with a lot of Growing to do, so him being old or lame wouldn't be an excuse. Personally I believe that the decrease in food resources at the time was what made him lose weight, but I would rather be comfortable with hard evidence against my case. As a reminder, these are questions, not debunks.
As for Joker, he was only stated to be more than 140kg, not significantly higher, so I don't know where the 159kg figure comes from, considering that his chest measurements are pretty normal for an average 140kg Jaguar (not to be confused with 'average' jaguar).
Comparative ecology of ocelot (Felis pardalis) and jaguar (Panthera onca) in a protected subtropical forest in Brazil and Argentina. 1995 by Peter Crawshaw
also can't forget that Lopez was an adult of 5 years or even, so he wasn't fully grown.
while in the video they claim he weighs 142 kg,Dr.Hoogestejin himself stated that Lopez weighed 148 kg. https://images.app.goo.gl/TnismkEvz8uwfHfNA
and also said that the bait that Lopez baited weighed no more than 4-5 kg.
(01-19-2024, 12:52 AM)Dragonman Wrote: Hello, I am new here but I have a few questions regarding Jaguar weights on your well constructed table. There are a few weights there that may be inaccurate that I want to address. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong
The Lopez Weight by Hoogelstein is the largest weight of Jaguars so far in the 1990s. In the original message sent by Hoogelstein he said In the original Spanish text – “no hay forma de saber si tenia el estomago vacio o lleno, o cuan vacio/lleno” which translates to “there is no way to know if the stomach was empty or full, or how empty/full”
couldn't this mean that the jaguar had some food in him but wasn't empty? wouldn't this mean he definitely ate some food before his capture? Therefore meaning that 148kg is not a reliable figure for the weight of Lopez and not an actual figure that should be added to the table.
Dr Guy Balme, the capture specialist, standing right next to this jaguar just as he had been weighed, states “he’s fat because he’s eaten but he’s not overly gorged, he’s not excessively gorged”.
The YouTube translation is there, so I don't understand why he is being claimed to be flat, and not fat. If you have anything to disprove this I would be open to seeing this, but if he was verbatim stated to be fat, then why in this forum is he claimed to be "flat"?
Also, @Pckts, you stated it yourself that Robusto was full, and thus, his 137kg weight should not be accounted for
*This image is copyright of its original author
Also, another individual (whose name I will not mention) got confirmation from Edu himself about both of these weights being jaguars that were full and thus, unreliable
*This image is copyright of its original author
So there is a verbatim statement that Shaka was in fact full from Edu himself who was there at his capture. I will not address his claim for robusto as he was not there during capture, so I don't care for it. Moving On:
Now as for Matheus, he was not confirmed to be in poor health but rather joyfully reported to have been 118kg and 121kg in his 3rd and second capture. Now I also recall there being a fire around the time of his second or 3rd capture that limited food resources.
*This image is copyright of its original author
So right now I'm wondering, considering that Mattheus was so young when captured, and that 134kg is an outlier compared to his more recent 121 and 118kg, wouldn't it be deduced that it was stomach content that made him up to 134kg? Because at the points he was captured he was still 5 years old with a lot of Growing to do, so him being old or lame wouldn't be an excuse. Personally I believe that the decrease in food resources at the time was what made him lose weight, but I would rather be comfortable with hard evidence against my case. As a reminder, these are questions, not debunks.
As for Joker, he was only stated to be more than 140kg, not significantly higher, so I don't know where the 159kg figure comes from, considering that his chest measurements are pretty normal for an average 140kg Jaguar (not to be confused with 'average' jaguar).
Comparative ecology of ocelot (Felis pardalis) and jaguar (Panthera onca) in a protected subtropical forest in Brazil and Argentina. 1995 by Peter Crawshaw
(01-19-2024, 12:52 AM)Dragonman Wrote: Hello, I am new here but I have a few questions regarding Jaguar weights on your well constructed table. There are a few weights there that may be inaccurate that I want to address. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong
The Lopez Weight by Hoogelstein is the largest weight of Jaguars so far in the 1990s. In the original message sent by Hoogelstein he said In the original Spanish text – “no hay forma de saber si tenia el estomago vacio o lleno, o cuan vacio/lleno” which translates to “there is no way to know if the stomach was empty or full, or how empty/full”
couldn't this mean that the jaguar had some food in him but wasn't empty? wouldn't this mean he definitely ate some food before his capture? Therefore meaning that 148kg is not a reliable figure for the weight of Lopez and not an actual figure that should be added to the table.
Dr Guy Balme, the capture specialist, standing right next to this jaguar just as he had been weighed, states “he’s fat because he’s eaten but he’s not overly gorged, he’s not excessively gorged”.
The YouTube translation is there, so I don't understand why he is being claimed to be flat, and not fat. If you have anything to disprove this I would be open to seeing this, but if he was verbatim stated to be fat, then why in this forum is he claimed to be "flat"?
Also, @Pckts, you stated it yourself that Robusto was full, and thus, his 137kg weight should not be accounted for
*This image is copyright of its original author
Also, another individual (whose name I will not mention) got confirmation from Edu himself about both of these weights being jaguars that were full and thus, unreliable
*This image is copyright of its original author
So there is a verbatim statement that Shaka was in fact full from Edu himself who was there at his capture. I will not address his claim for robusto as he was not there during capture, so I don't care for it. Moving On:
Now as for Matheus, he was not confirmed to be in poor health but rather joyfully reported to have been 118kg and 121kg in his 3rd and second capture. Now I also recall there being a fire around the time of his second or 3rd capture that limited food resources.
*This image is copyright of its original author
So right now I'm wondering, considering that Mattheus was so young when captured, and that 134kg is an outlier compared to his more recent 121 and 118kg, wouldn't it be deduced that it was stomach content that made him up to 134kg? Because at the points he was captured he was still 5 years old with a lot of Growing to do, so him being old or lame wouldn't be an excuse. Personally I believe that the decrease in food resources at the time was what made him lose weight, but I would rather be comfortable with hard evidence against my case. As a reminder, these are questions, not debunks.
As for Joker, he was only stated to be more than 140kg, not significantly higher, so I don't know where the 159kg figure comes from, considering that his chest measurements are pretty normal for an average 140kg Jaguar (not to be confused with 'average' jaguar).
Comparative ecology of ocelot (Felis pardalis) and jaguar (Panthera onca) in a protected subtropical forest in Brazil and Argentina. 1995 by Peter Crawshaw
(01-19-2024, 12:52 AM)Dragonman Wrote: Hello, I am new here but I have a few questions regarding Jaguar weights on your well constructed table. There are a few weights there that may be inaccurate that I want to address. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong
The Lopez Weight by Hoogelstein is the largest weight of Jaguars so far in the 1990s. In the original message sent by Hoogelstein he said In the original Spanish text – “no hay forma de saber si tenia el estomago vacio o lleno, o cuan vacio/lleno” which translates to “there is no way to know if the stomach was empty or full, or how empty/full”
couldn't this mean that the jaguar had some food in him but wasn't empty? wouldn't this mean he definitely ate some food before his capture? Therefore meaning that 148kg is not a reliable figure for the weight of Lopez and not an actual figure that should be added to the table.
Dr Guy Balme, the capture specialist, standing right next to this jaguar just as he had been weighed, states “he’s fat because he’s eaten but he’s not overly gorged, he’s not excessively gorged”.
The YouTube translation is there, so I don't understand why he is being claimed to be flat, and not fat. If you have anything to disprove this I would be open to seeing this, but if he was verbatim stated to be fat, then why in this forum is he claimed to be "flat"?
Also, @Pckts, you stated it yourself that Robusto was full, and thus, his 137kg weight should not be accounted for
*This image is copyright of its original author
Also, another individual (whose name I will not mention) got confirmation from Edu himself about both of these weights being jaguars that were full and thus, unreliable
*This image is copyright of its original author
So there is a verbatim statement that Shaka was in fact full from Edu himself who was there at his capture. I will not address his claim for robusto as he was not there during capture, so I don't care for it. Moving On:
Now as for Matheus, he was not confirmed to be in poor health but rather joyfully reported to have been 118kg and 121kg in his 3rd and second capture. Now I also recall there being a fire around the time of his second or 3rd capture that limited food resources.
*This image is copyright of its original author
So right now I'm wondering, considering that Mattheus was so young when captured, and that 134kg is an outlier compared to his more recent 121 and 118kg, wouldn't it be deduced that it was stomach content that made him up to 134kg? Because at the points he was captured he was still 5 years old with a lot of Growing to do, so him being old or lame wouldn't be an excuse. Personally I believe that the decrease in food resources at the time was what made him lose weight, but I would rather be comfortable with hard evidence against my case. As a reminder, these are questions, not debunks.
As for Joker, he was only stated to be more than 140kg, not significantly higher, so I don't know where the 159kg figure comes from, considering that his chest measurements are pretty normal for an average 140kg Jaguar (not to be confused with 'average' jaguar).
Comparative ecology of ocelot (Felis pardalis) and jaguar (Panthera onca) in a protected subtropical forest in Brazil and Argentina. 1995 by Peter Crawshaw
(05-11-2024, 09:49 PM)Jafar Wrote: Hades has returned to caiman territory!
Definitely one of the biggest males they've ever had on Caiman.
fix a 300+ ibs monster!
Modern Weights and Measurements of Jaguars
