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Lions of Timbavati
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 (09-25-2022, 06:27 PM)criollo2mil Wrote: The White Young Birmingham Male and at least one Tawny brother seen by rockfig lodge last night. Is it just me or is that white male massive? saw a video of him walking along side one of his brothers and he was noticeably bigger in every way be it height or bulkiness.  (09-27-2022, 08:07 PM)sik94 Wrote:(09-25-2022, 06:27 PM)criollo2mil Wrote: The White Young Birmingham Male and at least one Tawny brother seen by rockfig lodge last night. He is indeed significantly bigger than his brothers, through how he would compare to different males might be a very different story.  (09-27-2022, 08:21 PM)Potato Wrote:(09-27-2022, 08:07 PM)sik94 Wrote:(09-25-2022, 06:27 PM)criollo2mil Wrote: The White Young Birmingham Male and at least one Tawny brother seen by rockfig lodge last night. It's odd how that happens. When BYM was young, and still with the pride, around the time his injury occurred, there was a video of him walking with the pride, and he was noticeably bigger than the adult females he was walking beside, giving the impression he might become a very large male. Fast forward to today, and it seems TYM is the larger of the two, and I previously never saw him as being overly large. So, your point is well taken my friend! (09-27-2022, 08:07 PM)sik94 Wrote:(09-25-2022, 06:27 PM)criollo2mil Wrote: The White Young Birmingham Male and at least one Tawny brother seen by rockfig lodge last night. When he went for that walk-about with BYM, the last time they were together, he was very close in size with BYM, and quite a bit younger. Then the white male got cuffed up a little by Tyson, and they were fairly close in height already.  (09-27-2022, 08:41 PM)BA0701 Wrote: It's odd how that happens. When BYM was young, and still with the pride, around the time his injury occurred, there was a video of him walking with the pride, and he was noticeably bigger than the adult females he was walking beside, giving the impression he might become a very large male. Fast forward to today, and it seems TYM is the larger of the two, and I previously never saw him as being overly large. So, your point is well taken my friend! BYM is noticeable bigger then Torchwood, both in height and lenght. (09-28-2022, 12:19 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote:(09-27-2022, 08:41 PM)BA0701 Wrote: It's odd how that happens. When BYM was young, and still with the pride, around the time his injury occurred, there was a video of him walking with the pride, and he was noticeably bigger than the adult females he was walking beside, giving the impression he might become a very large male. Fast forward to today, and it seems TYM is the larger of the two, and I previously never saw him as being overly large. So, your point is well taken my friend! Maybe it is his bulkiness then, he just looks heavier, more stout in the pics and vids I have seen of them. There was a clear difference in size, with BYM being noticeably larger in the video of their first interaction, as they walked parallel to one another when it was reported that BYM (who was with his siblings at the time, including the white male) had chased TYM off. Then in the video of TYM killing the buffalo (the one where BYM did not seem to really know what to do), TYM appeared to me to be the heavier bulkier of the two, same goes for when they were chasing those hyenas. (09-28-2022, 12:26 AM)BA0701 Wrote: Maybe it is his bulkiness then, he just looks heavier, more stout in the pics and vids I have seen of them. There was a clear difference in size, with BYM being noticeably larger in the video of their first interaction, as they walked parallel to one another when it was reported that BYM (who was with his siblings at the time, including the white male) had chased TYM off. Then in the video of TYM killing the buffalo (the one where BYM did not seem to really know what to do), TYM appeared to me to be the heavier bulkier of the two, same goes for when they were chasing those hyenas. Yea, Torchwood males looks more bulkier, and has bigger mane, which brings a lot to the size, but BYM is bigger in height and lenght, even rangers from Timbavati said that. (09-27-2022, 08:07 PM)sik94 Wrote: Is it just me or is that white male massive? saw a video of him walking along side one of his brothers and he was noticeably bigger in every way be it height or bulkiness. (09-27-2022, 08:21 PM)Potato Wrote: He is indeed significantly bigger than his brothers, through how he would compare to different males might be a very different story. Not sure from where are you getting this that white male is much/significantly bigger then his brothers? From what i saw, that not the case, atleast not noticeable or worth pointing out, to me they look similar in size, white male might be a bit bulkier in build. In fact, in the past years, when they where subs, 1 of his brothers was bigger, i remember it on WE broadcast when they walked near each other. Even on this picture from last year, although not side by side, and white male is a bit behind, his brother still looks a bit bigger and longer on body:  *This image is copyright of its original author Unless white male overgrown them recently, which i doubt, as on that last video of them with Ross males, 2 brothers where walking with Ross males and where pretty much their size.  (09-28-2022, 01:04 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote:(09-28-2022, 12:26 AM)BA0701 Wrote: Maybe it is his bulkiness then, he just looks heavier, more stout in the pics and vids I have seen of them. There was a clear difference in size, with BYM being noticeably larger in the video of their first interaction, as they walked parallel to one another when it was reported that BYM (who was with his siblings at the time, including the white male) had chased TYM off. Then in the video of TYM killing the buffalo (the one where BYM did not seem to really know what to do), TYM appeared to me to be the heavier bulkier of the two, same goes for when they were chasing those hyenas. Precisely, being said that TYM is little shorter in height and length helps him to look bulkier. (09-28-2022, 01:10 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote:(09-27-2022, 08:07 PM)sik94 Wrote: Is it just me or is that white male massive? saw a video of him walking along side one of his brothers and he was noticeably bigger in every way be it height or bulkiness.(09-27-2022, 08:21 PM)Potato Wrote: He is indeed significantly bigger than his brothers, through how he would compare to different males might be a very different story. How much younger, if any, is that tawny male than the white male? 
@BA0701
There is another younger tawny male who was born in April 2020. That is the BYM's Sister's son. The other two tawny males (white male's littermate & cousin) are the same age roughly as the white male  (09-28-2022, 04:10 AM)Mabingilane Wrote: @BA0701 There may also be a couple of males still alive from the December 2020 to March 2021 litters. I don’t get to see much of them any nome to know their exact cub count ATM.
Thank you both, @Mabingilane and @criollo2mil , for the assist. As Criollo2mil mentioned, we don't see nearly as much of the Birmingham Pride as we used to, we used to get nearly daily updates and so many videos, not so much since WE left the area.
Mongawane Birmingham male is definitelly significantly bigger tan Torchwood male in both height and weight. From what I saw Birmingham white male he was significantly bigger than his brothers. Also I remember one of the Ngala guides saying there is quite a significent gap in size between white male and his brothers.
(09-28-2022, 01:04 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote: even rangers from Timbavati said that I do not recall such. If you talking about Johan Smelman then he said just after Mongawane males arrived in Shindzela that "Torchwood male is probably bigger". He probably through placed his opinion basing on Torchwood male having more impressive mane (which could make him look bigger, more impressive) without seeing them next to each others. I am claiming that because he shortly after (probably after seeing them next to each others) changed his opinion. Even quite recently on the live he said "Birmingham male is much bigger", through just after backed off from this claim saying "maybe not much, but he is significantly bigger". (09-28-2022, 05:18 PM)Potato Wrote: From what I saw Birmingham white male he was significantly bigger than his brothers. Also I remember one of the Ngala guides saying there is quite a significent gap in size between white male and his brothers. Show me evidence of that pls, because as i said, even last year and when they where subs on WE before, 1 of his bros was bigger then him.. last year picture :  *This image is copyright of its original author Here are some screenshots of him and his bro on a kill 4 months ago, and no, white male is definitely not "significantly" bigger, they are pretty much the same size:  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author
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