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Lions of Tanzania (Serengeti, Ngorongoro and others)
Lions of Tanzania (Serengeti, Ngorongoro and others)
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Lions of Tanzania (Serengeti, Ngorongoro and others)
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 (11-18-2020, 07:08 PM)You should buy the book The World As It Once Was to see this image and several more of the finest lions ever photographed in Africa! Wrote: Like the lion King!
A beautiful male lion from the Serengeti.
He is looking like a mix of the tipical Crater' male lion with his very long and thick mane above and over his shoulder and a Serengeti/Mara male lion with his great elbow tufts as even more with his large tail tufts too. What a great specimen!  (06-17-2023, 12:36 PM)BigLion39 Wrote:(06-16-2023, 07:22 PM)Lipstick2 Wrote: A beautiful male lion from the Serengeti. Noo, he is from the Serengeti, not a Crater male he just shows some similarities with them with his long mane. Crater males and especially Lake Quintet males have even more larger,longer and thicker manes such as Hello posted it in the previous page here in #433. This male is more like a tipical Serengeti male in his characteristics but probably he also has some Crater genes too.
Well Ngorogoro is part of the Serenghetti ecosystem similar to how the conservancies are to the MMNR in Kenya. Lions do travel between the crator and the grasslands of the Serenghetti I've read. Thought that male might have been 1 of the 5?
(06-19-2023, 03:20 PM)BigLion39 Wrote: Well Ngorogoro is part of the Serenghetti ecosystem similar to how the conservancies are to the MMNR in Kenya. Lions do travel between the crator and the grasslands of the Serenghetti I've read. Thought that male might have been 1 of the 5? Yeah that's true, but I think he's in the Serengeti Main Reserve. He is not related to the 5 LQ, he is quitely younger than them and he doesn't look like them. LQ's have slightly longer and even fuller mane than him, look at this picture from Hello in #433:  *This image is copyright of its original author Credits: Charnita Kirby They don't show too much similarities with each other imho. 
The following post was shared by @Wyld@Heart in another thread, provides us with a wealth of information about the Crater Lions, and the impact that the lack of genetic diversity is having on the population.
Wyld@Heart's original post: "There have been, the ones I know of are specific to lions of Ngorongoro where inbreeding is pretty much unavoidable. https://conbio.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/d....tb00127.x https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w...WjFlv8FEj0 I hope the links work. There are also a few others about. Some 'light' reading, haha." The first link, conbio, is a short informative abstract of a case study written by C. PACKER, A. E. PUSEY, H. ROWLEY, D. A. GILBERT, J. MARTENSON, S. J. O'BRIEN, and the second link is the full study. This study combines information on two subjects I have long been fascinated with, Crater Lions and the impact of inbreeding on the wild lion population. The abstract states: Abstract: Lions in the Ngorongoro Crater, Tanzania, form a small and naturally isolated population. In 1962, the Crater lions suffered an epizootic that reduced the population to nine females and one male. An additional seven males apparently immigrated into the Crater in 1964–1965, but there has been no further immigration into the Crater in the past 25 years. By 1975, the population had recovered to its current level of 75-125 animals. All members of the current Crater population are descended from only 15 founders, and over the years there has been considerable variance in the reproductive success of both sexes. The Crater was probably colonized by lions from the nearby Serengeti ecosystem and the contemporary Crater lion population shows a significant lack of genetic diversity compared to the much larger Serengeti population. The detailed reproductive history of the Crater population was incorporated into a series of stochastic computer simulations that generated distributions of expected allele frequencies under different sets of initial conditions. The simulations suggest that the Crater population may have passed through previous bottlenecks before 1962 but that the level of heterozygosity in the breeding population has been declining since the mid-1970s, regardless of the population's genetic composition in the 1960s. High levels of inbreeding are correlated with increased levels of sperm abnormality in lions and there is evidence that the reproductive performance of the Crater lions has decreased as a result of decreasing heterozygosity.
It doesn't make sense to me how they say N'Gorogoro Conservation Area is isolated as it is part and connected to the Serenghetti. The lions in the Crater are actually from the Serenghetti and I bet the same genes in the Crater can be found in areas in the Serenghetti. Realistically, not too likely, but realistically, lions can pass from Crater to Serenghetti to Mara and vice versa as it may be somewhat far the lions are capable of traveling that distance especially as its open and no fences.
(08-21-2023, 01:30 PM)BigLion39 Wrote: It doesn't make sense to me how they say N'Gorogoro Conservation Area is isolated as it is part and connected to the Serenghetti. The lions in the Crater are actually from the Serenghetti and I bet the same genes in the Crater can be found in areas in the Serenghetti. Realistically, not too likely, but realistically, lions can pass from Crater to Serenghetti to Mara and vice versa as it may be somewhat far the lions are capable of traveling that distance especially as its open and no fences. https://kopelion.org/meet-the-lions/ absolutely and in this regard I came across this website which tells several stories of lions from the crater and its surroundings (Hjalmar, Lemunge or that of the famous lion kalamas among others ) we can see that the crater is not isolated from the rest of the ecosystem of the great serengeti (08-21-2023, 01:30 PM)BigLion39 Wrote: It doesn't make sense to me how they say N'Gorogoro Conservation Area is isolated as it is part and connected to the Serenghetti. The lions in the Crater are actually from the Serenghetti and I bet the same genes in the Crater can be found in areas in the Serenghetti. Realistically, not too likely, but realistically, lions can pass from Crater to Serenghetti to Mara and vice versa as it may be somewhat far the lions are capable of traveling that distance especially as its open and no fences.Going from memory here; the Ngorongoro Conservation area encompasses not just the crater but the surrounds as well. The crater itself is sort of a natural enclosure which isn't impermeable by any means but does form a significant natural barrier hence the term isolation. So while there are no fences, migration into the crater itself is a challenge and studies have focused on crater lions specifically. 
Seriously I don't know exactly where, in which topic, I had to post this video. Perhaps inside a topic speaking about interactions between human tribes and wild animals. I choose to post it here, because, paradoxally in Wildfact, we only have once topic about lions in Tanzania, whereas Tanzania, in term of lions population, is the most populated country in the world. and this by far: more than 8.000 wild lions roaming free. But let us not be misled, in Tanzania too, the lion population has dramatically decreased during the last decades.
For those liking the statistics and numbers, as concerns the wild lions population in the world: As concerns Tanzania, protecting an apex predator implies for local populations to change their view towards this animal. In this case of the Masai tribes, being narrowly implicated for this aim, has had to give up an ancestral ritual: in order to become a warrior, a "morane", the young Masai had to kill a male lion with spears. Now, the lions being an endangered specy everywhere in Africa, the Masai have abandoned this ritual. Protecting an apex predator also implies protecting an entire environment and from this, the entire wild natural resources of the biotop in order not only to promote the tourism industry but also to allow local communities to thrive with the wild fauna. And, at last, for the successfull outcome of this process, it's necessary to involve the young generations, that starts from the children education and that leads to the old wise headman. " Explore the breathtaking landscapes of Tanzania, a land that embodies the true spirit of the African wilderness. In a world where lions are revered as symbols of power and majesty, witness the remarkable journey to protect these majestic creatures. As lion populations decline globally, Tanzania stands as a last refuge, its efforts showcasing an inspiring tale of conservation, community collaboration, and hope. Discover how the synergy between wildlife tourism, Maasai traditions, and local initiatives is forging a path towards harmony between humans and lions. " (10-06-2023, 04:52 AM)Spalea Wrote: As concerns Tanzania, protecting an apex predator implies for local populations to change their view towards this animal. In this case of the Masai tribes, being narrowly implicated for this aim, has had to give up an ancestral ritual: in order to become a warrior, a "morane", the young Masai had to kill a male lion with spears. Now, the lions being an endangered specy everywhere in Africa, the Masai have abandoned this ritual.Unfortunately not all Massai, if any at all, have given up those rituals. Like you point out, the Massai also have a ritual/tradition to kill a male lion and when they turn from puberty into a man. Also they kill male lions and use their manes in wedding ceremonies. Another tradition, every 4 years or so they men go out and spear lions. Im not sure the tradition but I know they do it. Maybe this has slowed but it hasn't stopped in any Massai owned land between countries. This goes together with all the killing by cattle herders and we get the problems we have nowadays. Yeah Thabk God the Massai can live and mostly protect the lions but nowadays they must stop all these killings as the lions are disappearing from a lot of their traditional land. And trust me, I've spoken to people in the know, most Massai see lions,lepeords, big cats, predetors, elephants, hippos, rhinos as a threat and would rather kill them and live without them. Unfortunate 
Some good pics from few months ago a friend sent of 3 of the 5 Lake Quintet males.
Credit: Charnita Kirby |
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