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Oh ok ok so close to 4 years old so a little over 3 in a half years old so why is it that it took the talamati girls and kambula Birmingham daughters to their 5th birthday to have their first cubs it’s it just a situation/ maturity thing
(02-12-2024, 08:22 AM)Ttimemarti Wrote: Oh ok ok so close to 4 years old so a little over 3 in a half years old so why is it that it took the talamati girls and kambula Birmingham daughters to their 5th birthday to have their first cubs it’s it just a situation/ maturity thing
We don't know why some females are more fecund than others. Could be due to a combination of genetics, the males they attract, and environment. The Gijimas did themselves a BIG favor by not chasing off or killing the young Southern Pride Lionesses' daughters when she first got to know them. They almost certainly would have done that with any sons instead. This earned them more breeding partners (if they were patient, and they were) and offspring overall. Most coalitions would probably have not tolerated them. Case in point, even the N'was did not tolerate the one remaining 2 year old sub of the B'ham Boys after their mother, a Kambula Lioness, later rejoin the pride! She was even older at that point than the Southern Pride daughters were. The PC Males killed the last daughter of the OM at around the same age.
Then there's the confidence of the Southern Lionesses in entrusting her offspring into the care of the Gijimas. The males subconsciously knew the daughters were no threat to their reproducing and mating with her, so they tolerated them. They did more than that. They were a close-knit group up until the males started to also share their time with the Talamati Lionesses.
We didn't see that with the Othawa Male and the 2 Majing. Daughters though.... They were very close, but for some reason, one of them never reproduced with him, but finally did with the PC Males. Big Boy's sister got pregnant and became a mother at 7 for the first time despite spending years with the OM. Why? We'll never know exactly. Attraction? Hormones kicked in late?
02-12-2024, 07:38 PM( This post was last modified: 02-12-2024, 07:45 PM by Cath2020 )
(02-12-2024, 07:31 AM)criollo2mil Wrote:
(02-12-2024, 06:22 AM)Ttimemarti Wrote: So how old are the nwaswitshaka daughters definitely not over 4 years old right?
Born appx July 2020
I read that they were born late Aug. to early Sept of 2000. If true, the cubs belong to a young mother that was less than 3.5 when she gave birth. The cubs were probably born mid-late Dec, making her 3.3 or 3.4 years old. One of them definitely was younger than 3 when she gave birth. Unfortunately, that litter perished.
Edited to add, just saw footage of the daughters very late Nov. 2020 and they do not look more than 2-3 months old.
Every lion is different some males are less aggressive towards cubs and subadults some are but I think it’s all about the situation and who the lions are… like when nhenha and nkuhuma tried to take the othawa pride we knew who nhenha was when he and his brothers killed females unwilling to mate with them before and he did it again, gijimas have they chased the young styx girls? And I didn’t know the othawa male didn’t mate with his I think cousins in the mhangeni pride and he didn’t harm tinya it is fascinating to see how these lions behave and what they do even in that bad times when it breaks my heart
Throwback to Scar Eye Tumbela Male as a sub-adult.. He was actually the most dominant one until he started to decline. The first to mate and who took the initiative with the Othawa Pride.
(02-13-2024, 12:30 AM)Cath2020 Wrote: Throwback to Scar Eye Tumbela Male as a sub-adult.. He was actually the most dominant one until he started to decline. The first to mate and who took the initiative with the Othawa Pride.
When younger, his left eye was in good shape.
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this is a good post to place into the Tumbela thread....for good historical tracking.
