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Talamatis now in a very similar situation to Othawas from a year ago. 1 male, 1 female and 5 subs of the same age the Othawas were pressured by 2 males who finally got enough confidence.
(08-17-2023, 12:06 AM)Mapokser Wrote: Talamatis now in a very similar situation to Othawas from a year ago. 1 male, 1 female and 5 subs of the same age the Othawas were pressured by 2 males who finally got enough confidence.
I only hope that this does not cause the BDMs to begin venturing further north into S8 and the Talematis area. This incursion was S8 and the Talamatis venturing a little too far south into BDMs area.
08-17-2023, 12:52 AM( This post was last modified: 08-17-2023, 01:03 AM by Tr1x24 )
(08-17-2023, 12:06 AM)Mapokser Wrote: Talamatis now in a very similar situation to Othawas from a year ago. 1 male, 1 female and 5 subs of the same age the Othawas were pressured by 2 males who finally got enough confidence.
Talamatis and S8 are not pressured by any males, this happened at Chitwa airstrip, on BDM's territory.
Since BDMs establish themelves here, they never ventured further north of Djuma, which is S8 and Talamatis core territory.
08-17-2023, 02:28 AM( This post was last modified: 08-17-2023, 10:37 AM by Mapokser )
He wouldn't. When a duo is strong enough to not run from a solo male, there's no way to separate them in a clash.
What could happen if he's lucky is that he could find 1/2 BDM patrolling alone ( it's not exactly unusual for this to happen ) and then he could attack him.
But while I don't doubt S8 would whoop any BDM in a 1v1 fight, actually killing or even seriously injuring another adult male 1v1 is nearly impossible, very very rarely has this happened. Just look at Red Road v Mandevu recently. RR got a perfect position and seemingly a good grip to Mandevu's face for a long time, not allowing him to fight back AND a report said Nharhu females helped RR chase him off ( after the fight Mandevu was seen with bites to his back ) still Mandevu left without any serious injuries.
The only occasions ever that I recall a single male defeating a coalition was when the Gwarrie Bush Male Nhlanguleni challenged the 2 dominant males of the Western Sector in 2005, apparently he chased them from a kill in the Sand River and killed one, later ousting the other.
And the other example is Dozie. After Mapogos killed his brother and ousted him from Sabi Sands in 2008, he moved north, killed one of the 2 dominant males in Manyeleti and ousted the other.
So even if S8 ( who may get pressured in the future ) get this amazing chance out of pure luck, what'd most likely happen is what happened in the RR v Mandevu fight or the Tumbela v Nhenha fight. Tumbela also got lucky to fight Nhenha when NK male was off. Tumbela won but in the end it was a meaningless victory since he couldn't deal a strong enough blow to his rival, and once Nhenha rejoined NK, it didn't took them long to oust Tumbela.
(08-17-2023, 02:28 AM)Mapokser Wrote: He wouldn't. When a duo is strong enough to not run from a solo male, there's no way to separate them in a clash.
What could happen if he's lucky is that he could find 1/2 BDM patrolling alone ( it's not exactly unusual for this to happen ) and then he could attack him.
But while I don't doubt S8 would whoop any BDM in a 1v1 fight, actually killing or even seriously injuring another adult male 1v1 is nearly impossible, very very rarely has this happened. Just look at Red Road v Mandevu recently. RR got a perfect position and seemingly a good grip to Mandevu's face for a long time, not allowing him to fight back AND a report said Nharhu females helped RR chase him off ( after the fight Mandevu was seen with bites to his back ) still Mandevu left without any serious injuries.
The only occasions ever that I recall a single male defeating a coalition was when the Gwarrie Bush Male Nhlanguleni challenged the 2 dominant males of the Western Sector in 2005, apparently he chased them from a kill in the Sand River and killed one, later ousting the other.
And the other example is Dozie. After Mapogos killed his brother and ousted him from Sabi Sands in 2008, he moved north, killed one of the 2 dominant males in Manyeleti and ousted the other.
So even if S8 ( who may get pressured in the future ) get this amazing chance out of pure lucky, what'd most likely happen is what happened in the RR v Mandevu fight or the Tumbela v Nhenha fight. Tumbela also got lucky to fight Nhenha when NK male was off. Tumbela won but in the end it was a meaningless victory since he couldn't deal a strong enough blow to his rival, and once Nhenha rejoined NK, it didn't took them long to oust Tumbela.
He’s gotta be At least 10 in a half years old right?
(08-16-2023, 03:58 PM)Horizon Wrote: Yes, I realize this is not a takeover attempt but first time I have seen S8 pushed like that. First time shown a sign of weakness in SS.
I dont think its a sign of weakness, when 2 adult males (BDM's will be 6 in few months) run at you, there is nothing you can do, yet run to save your life.
Solo males play "intimidation card" when dealing with these kind of situations against multiple opponents.
They will try to appear confident, they roar, scent mark, they will charge and chase them, trying to show their opponenents that they are "boss" here, in hope that these things will be enough for their opponents to give up and run away.
But, when opponents "figure" things out, become old and confident enough, they will not get "bluffed" anymore, and tides turn.
When this happens, there is nothing anymore for solo male to do.
I am sorry. Did I miss something? Is it expected that the BDM's will grow? Do they have more partners coming to Sabi? That would spell trouble for all of Sabi Sands if so, and especially the Kambula's and N'Was.
(08-16-2023, 03:58 PM)Horizon Wrote: Yes, I realize this is not a takeover attempt but first time I have seen S8 pushed like that. First time shown a sign of weakness in SS.
I dont think its a sign of weakness, when 2 adult males (BDM's will be 6 in few months) run at you, there is nothing you can do, yet run to save your life.
Solo males play "intimidation card" when dealing with these kind of situations against multiple opponents.
They will try to appear confident, they roar, scent mark, they will charge and chase them, trying to show their opponenents that they are "boss" here, in hope that these things will be enough for their opponents to give up and run away.
But, when opponents "figure" things out, become old and confident enough, they will not get "bluffed" anymore, and tides turn.
When this happens, there is nothing anymore for solo male to do.
I am sorry. Did I miss something? Is it expected that the BDM's will grow? Do they have more partners coming to Sabi? That would spell trouble for all of Sabi Sands if so, and especially the Kambula's and N'Was.
Believe he was referring to their age. As in they'll be six (6) years old in a few months.
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(08-16-2023, 03:58 PM)Horizon Wrote: Yes, I realize this is not a takeover attempt but first time I have seen S8 pushed like that. First time shown a sign of weakness in SS.
I dont think its a sign of weakness, when 2 adult males (BDM's will be 6 in few months) run at you, there is nothing you can do, yet run to save your life.
Solo males play "intimidation card" when dealing with these kind of situations against multiple opponents.
They will try to appear confident, they roar, scent mark, they will charge and chase them, trying to show their opponenents that they are "boss" here, in hope that these things will be enough for their opponents to give up and run away.
But, when opponents "figure" things out, become old and confident enough, they will not get "bluffed" anymore, and tides turn.
When this happens, there is nothing anymore for solo male to do.
I am sorry. Did I miss something? Is it expected that the BDM's will grow? Do they have more partners coming to Sabi? That would spell trouble for all of Sabi Sands if so, and especially the Kambula's and N'Was.
Believe he was referring to their age. As in they'll be six (6) years old in a few months.
Ah.. Thank you. Not sure why I didn't read it that way.
@Tylermartin! Yeah, in fact, IIRC, he is even older than that as there was an old photo of him with Senior Mbiri's brother. He's probably past 11 by now.
He's in an amazing shape though, he has good genes for age, a bit out of his prime, sure, but still a very powerful lion, The problem is that he is outnumbered.
(08-17-2023, 10:43 AM)Mapokser Wrote: @Tylermartin! Yeah, in fact, IIRC, he is even older than that as there was an old photo of him with Senior Mbiri's brother. He's probably past 11 by now.
He's in an amazing shape though, he has good genes for age, a bit out of his prime, sure, but still a very powerful lion, The problem is that he is outnumbered.
Has he been in any fights in the past I don’t know of any time he’s had a fight with other males since he came to sabi sands and while he was with the Imabli pride that might also be why he’s in great condition lack of fights maybe but he’s definitely an older lion
(08-16-2023, 01:18 PM)Horizon Wrote: Chased away by BDMs?
Yes. Here’s some footage of the chase
Edit: doesn’t seem the twitter is working too good so you’ll have to copy link. I will post the Imgur link later when I am at a computer since I cannot do so off my phone.
I fixed the link for you :)
I still can’t seem to see it but I was able to get to the computer and add the Imgur video
It will only work in my reply as I don't have access to fix it in your original link.
