Lions of Sabi Sands

[Gijima]

(04-26-2021, 11:15 PM)Tonpa Wrote: Interesting to see him on Cheetah Plains!

The whole pride was there and crossing north so probably just following buffalo. Reply

[Gijima]

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[Hairy tummy]

Lots of guides and lodges should have some of you guys to identify lions for them ha Reply

[Tr1x24]

(04-26-2021, 11:15 PM)Gijima Wrote: I thought so, but the caption made it sound like the was the "lone male". The reporting from this area is a mess.

This story was made by guest it seems, not from lodge. Reply

[Tonpa]

Ximungwe Lionesses on a kill, with Hyenas closeby 

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[BA0701]

I was watching my DVD of Brothers in Blood the other day, and it got me wondering. Whatever became of the Spartan Pride? You don't really read much of them anymore. Reply

[Tonpa]

(04-27-2021, 07:42 PM)BA0701 Wrote: I was watching my DVD of Brothers in Blood the other day, and it got me wondering. Whatever became of the Spartan Pride? You don't really read much of them anymore.

Down to one sub-adult now, if she doesn't survive it'll be the end of the pride. Reply

[BA0701]

(04-27-2021, 08:06 PM)Tonpa Wrote:

(04-27-2021, 07:42 PM)BA0701 Wrote: I was watching my DVD of Brothers in Blood the other day, and it got me wondering. Whatever became of the Spartan Pride? You don't really read much of them anymore.

Down to one sub-adult now, if she doesn't survive it'll be the end of the pride.

Wow, I had no idea that once great pride had reached such dire straights. Thank you for that @Tonpa Reply

[Tr1x24]

(04-27-2021, 08:19 PM)BA0701 Wrote: Wow, I had no idea that once great pride had reached such dire straights. Thank you for that @Tonpa

Sparta pride was unlucky, in 2013 (Majingilane litter) , they had 3 males and 1 female who survived to adulthood, by 2015 they had 3 adult lionesses with then, but Majingilanes abandoned them, later on young males left the pride, and 1 adult lioness got killed, leaving 2 adult lionesses and 1 younger one.. But then in 2016/2017 young Kambula lionesses invade their territory and pushing them further south, killing 1 adult female in process..

2 females settled in south, but that area was not stable, young coalitions like Tsalalas and S Avocas where fighting for territory, in which Avocas won in 2018 and become pride males of 2 Sparta females..

Older female gave birth to 3 cubs in mid 2019, but younger female didnt, as we learnt that she was infertile.. 2 cubs disappeared shortly after, leaving only one..

In early 2020, another tragedy, as younger infertile female was found dead, leaving very old female at 12 yrs of age to alone raise her daughter..

She succeed for almost a year, when in early 2021 she was losing condition and died, leaving her 1.5 yrs subadult alone..

Young subadult was not seen for 2 months, and was pressumed dead, until they found her in Lion Sands, in suprisingly good condition, that was around month ago.. Reply

[BA0701]

(04-27-2021, 09:09 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(04-27-2021, 08:19 PM)BA0701 Wrote: Wow, I had no idea that once great pride had reached such dire straights. Thank you for that @Tonpa

Sparta pride was unlucky, in 2013 (Majingilane litter) , they had 3 males and 1 female who survived to adulthood, by 2015 they had 3 adult lionesses with then, but Majingilanes abandoned them, later on young males left the pride, and 1 adult lioness got killed, leaving 2 adult lionesses and 1 younger one.. But then in 2016/2017 young Kambula lionesses invade their territory and pushing them further south, killing 1 adult female in process..

2 females settled in south, but that area was not stable, young coalitions like Tsalalas and S Avocas where fighting for territory, in which Avocas won in 2018 and become pride males of 2 Sparta females..

Older female gave birth to 3 cubs in mid 2019, but younger female didnt, as we learnt that she was infertile.. 2 cubs disappeared shortly after, leaving only one..

In early 2020, another tragedy, as younger infertile female was found dead, leaving very old female at 12 yrs of age to alone raise her daughter..

She succeed for almost a year, when in early 2021 she was losing condition and died, leaving her 1.5 yrs subadult alone..

Young subadult was not seen for 2 months, and was pressumed dead, until they found her in Lion Sands, in suprisingly good condition, that was around month ago..

@Tr1x24 thank you so much my friend, for that very concise, informative, and very helpful post. I cannot believe the terrible run that once legendary pride has endured. Unbelieveable. Reply

[Tr1x24]

Styx/NK and 2 Plains Camp males seen together at Londolozi!!

https://blog.londolozi.com/2021/04/27/th...-returned/

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They where seen together roaring, but eventually separate, rangers doubt that they will form a coalition tho, NK/Styx are clearly older and they didn't paid too much attention to younger males, but they did snarl and snap at younger males, who where quite excited and not sure what to do.. 

Day before this gruop sighting, OM was seen furiously chasing 2 young males, its not known if NK/Styx or Plains Camps.. 

And day after 2 Birminghams returned into Londolozi, roaring and patroling.. Reply

[Duco Ndona]

The Sparta pride is gone. 

Even if this cub makes it. Its going to have lived nomadic for most of her formative years. Her parents never had the chance to pass on the distinctive culture a pride has, so things like hunting strategies. Social interaction and parenting that the Sparta pride made the Sparta pride will be completely forgotten. Even its genetic legacy will eventually be not greater in neighbourhood prides than in any new pride she may form. For those that care about silly stuff like that.

If this cub creates a pride again. This pride will have to reinvent itself from the start. The way she will interacts with her daughters will lay the foundations of how the pride will interact socially. The hunting strategies she invents as she grows up will be the strategies the new pride will use in the future and so on. 

So it may be more suited to not consider this a continuation of the old pride but more of a new one. Deserving of a new start and a new name. Reply

[Tonpa]

Is there any pride in sabi that really has a distinct hunting strategy compared to any of the other prides? Reply

[Duco Ndona]

Some have a knack in bring down giraffes. Others are better in bringing down wildebeast or Zebras.

I dont on the top of my head recall any concrete examples. Except for that pack of wolves that learned how to fish in canada. Just that prides also have those differences. Reply

[Tr1x24]

(04-27-2021, 10:52 PM)Duco Ndona Wrote: The Sparta pride is gone. 

Even if this cub makes it. Its going to have lived nomadic for most of her formative years. Her parents never had the chance to pass on the distinctive culture a pride has, so things like hunting strategies. Social interaction and parenting that the Sparta pride made the Sparta pride will be completely forgotten. Even its genetic legacy will eventually be not greater in neighbourhood prides than in any new pride she may form. For those that care about silly stuff like that.

If this cub creates a pride again. This pride will have to reinvent itself from the start. The way she will interacts with her daughters will lay the foundations of how the pride will interact socially. The hunting strategies she invents as she grows up will be the strategies the new pride will use in the future and so on. 

So it may be more suited to not consider this a continuation of the old pride but more of a new one. Deserving of a new start and a new name

Completely disagree.. Until this subadult is alive, Sparta pride still exist!! Reply