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Lions of Sabi Sands
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 (10-12-2020, 10:37 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:It's quite confusing. If it's an older picture. He doesn't fit the Avocas or Tsalala. So unless there were other young males at this time, I don't really know who it is(10-12-2020, 10:28 PM)Slayerd Wrote: An idea of who this Young Male could be? Photo was taken at Rattray's Camp Mala Mala. Date not specified. Doubt it could be one of the Kambula Young Males.  (10-12-2020, 10:08 PM)Mistry109 Wrote: As per the Othawa Pride... Aunty Othawa is mating with Tumbelas, but Junior's mom was also seen with them (idk if she mated with them). (10-12-2020, 10:28 PM)Slayerd Wrote: An idea of who this Young Male could be? Photo was taken at Rattray's Camp Mala Mala. Date not specified. Doubt it could be one of the Kambula Young Males. I believe this is Junior Nkuhuma from a few years back. Gorgeous lion just like Ndunha who he definitely takes after. @Tr1x24  (10-12-2020, 10:28 PM)Slayerd Wrote: An idea of who this Young Male could be? Photo was taken at Rattray's Camp Mala Mala. Date not specified. Doubt it could be one of the Kambula Young Males. JR Nkuhuma 
Update on Othawa pride:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CGPzLpmFDUZ/?fbclid=IwAR1keVn6dIHp8_AdC3WOODjiizC51RZsMvHHkm355O8LDhWSj2BHuqTxr4g Guides also talk about body size of Tumbelas and Junior Othawa. Also they mantion that some time ago Othawas have fight with Styx pride. (10-13-2020, 03:33 AM)Potato Wrote: Update on Othawa pride: This live is exactly why we should sometimes take things with a grain of salt. Obviously sometimes they are definitely right but sometimes their info isn't always correct. Examples being Junior is around 2 and half years old not 3 and the 3 youngsters are almost 2 not between 2 & 3. Sassy is not 6 or 7, she is 5 and a half. The 3 Youngsters are not Majingilane blood but Matimba. Most of what was said was not exactly incorrect but more or less roughly answersed. So in terms of Dynamics and comparisons, they might be more right but not always when it comes to info.  (10-13-2020, 03:33 AM)Potato Wrote: Update on Othawa pride: This video demonstrates precisely why I wish Hairy Belly would join up with these youngsters, they could all use each other right now. They are in danger, just as much as he is, by the Tumbelas. The Othawa pride sure is in chaos thanks to their arrival.  (10-13-2020, 04:46 AM)Slayerd Wrote:(10-13-2020, 03:33 AM)Potato Wrote: Update on Othawa pride: That's why don't take what the guides say at face value, they are used to oversimplify stuff for visiting clients that don't care about the nitty-gritty of lion dynamics in particular. We probably know more than they do about each character and their history. 
@Slayerd I was just about to write the exact same thing. Always good to verify what guides say. Including Jr being the same size as Tumbelas... and 2.5/3 year old wouldn’t be the same size as a five year old male, not to mention the life experience Tumbelas have from their year as nomads.
My hope is that since this isn’t a violent takeover, and the ladies have already started mating with them, they might be more tolerant of the sub adults. Especially if they are very submissive and stay out of the way. I don’t get the sense that the Tumbelas are raging with testosterone the way males are when they actually have to fight for territory. We’ll have to wait and see, but that’s just my thinking. (10-13-2020, 05:20 AM)Gijima Wrote: @Slayerd I was just about to write the exact same thing. Always good to verify what guides say. Including Jr being the same size as Tumbelas... and 2.5/3 year old wouldn’t be the same size as a five year old male, not to mention the life experience Tumbelas have from their year as nomads. Yes the last extreme takeover in Sabi Sands by nomads was the Birmingham and Charleston. The Birminghams chased and killed anything that got in their way. They killed the cubs, lionesses, Sub Adults, chased the Styx Males and Tsalala pride. Forced the Matimbas, Junior and the Torchwood members to leave. The Nkuhuma and Styx were terrified of them. These Tumbelas are very calm. Alot like the Avocas and Othawa Male had their takover. Slowly taking over little by little. I remember when a Nkuhuma lioness tried to flirt with the Birminghams to mate and they chased her trying to kill her instead. The guides were confused but that's how aggressive they were. They wanted to takeover not just mate. None of that is happening here. Like you said, we will have to see what happens but nothing horrifying is happening as of now. Things might change but not for now. (10-13-2020, 05:19 AM)sik94 Wrote:Indeed about their pride history giudes were all over wrong, but regarding lion's size in the arena I do not see reason to do not believe it. There is obviously variation in the size of wild male lions. Some are big, others are avarage and yet another are small. I do not see anythink unbelievable in what guides has said about Junior's and Tumbela's size.(10-13-2020, 04:46 AM)Slayerd Wrote:(10-13-2020, 03:33 AM)Potato Wrote: Update on Othawa pride: (10-13-2020, 01:07 PM)Potato Wrote: Indeed about their pride history giudes were all over wrong, but regarding lion's size in the arena I do not see reason to do not believe it. There is obviously variation in the size of wild male lions. Some are big, others are avarage and yet another are small. I do not see anythink unbelievable in what guides has said about Junior's and Tumbela's size. Junior is much bigger the Othawa lionesses already, so its not impossible that he is close in size to Tumbelas.. (10-13-2020, 01:49 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:(10-13-2020, 01:07 PM)Potato Wrote: Indeed about their pride history giudes were all over wrong, but regarding lion's size in the arena I do not see reason to do not believe it. There is obviously variation in the size of wild male lions. Some are big, others are avarage and yet another are small. I do not see anythink unbelievable in what guides has said about Junior's and Tumbela's size. All the Othawa lionesses are on the smaller side anyway compared to eastern lionesses like the Kambula who are larger sized. I've seen Junior next to Aunty Othawa and the scar Tumbela is definitely bigger than him in frame. (10-12-2020, 11:38 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:(10-12-2020, 10:08 PM)Mistry109 Wrote: As per the Othawa Pride... Thanks Tr1x24 dude Very smart of the females to mate with intruding males in order to protect any new litters and keep males away from sub adults. Smart old ladies. 13 years of experience. Sassy will probably stay with the sub adults while her Aunts stay with Tumbelas. The subs need a huntress who can provide meals and protection so i hope she does not leave them. The Nharu/Tumbela males are busy... for now. But through roaring, eating constant meals, mating and scent marking, their confidence and testosterone will grow and that may spell disaster for our Othawa Boys and girl. We will see how things unfold. The presence of a big male like Hairy Belly may help to deter young males for a while, but i have a bad feeling (i hope im wrong) that Hairy Belly has left the pride due to the threat. The smart old boy has done this before when feeling pressure from outnumbering invaders, leave and become nomadic. Sadly, at 14 years old, he cant risk missing many meals as he will lose condition fast. So i hope he reunites with Sassy, his Matimba offspring and big Junior Majingilane. Thank you to all of you guys for the updates and pics. Love the reliability of this group and its members. Much respect. |
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