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04-13-2025, 12:55 PM( This post was last modified: 04-13-2025, 01:03 PM by Tr1x24 )
(04-13-2025, 04:27 AM)KM600 Wrote: Yes, they are killing their growth, fortunately all Nkuhumas are young enough to have several more litters and can withstand times like this. If it was an older pride, then it would be much more of a dire issue.
They will continue to stunt their growth until they either provide some stability or leave the area for good.
NKs have pretty much 7 adult lionesses, which most of all prides in whole SS (2 oldest are only 8 yrs old) they are more than fine for not having cubs atm, they are far from being endangered because of instability.
Its not Kambulas fault that NKs for some reason dont want to accept, and avoid most dominant coalition in the area, Mantimahles, for half a year now, as even when Kambulas are not in the area, they prefer to hang with other nomads aswell, like SBDM and KM, and moving further west to avoid Mantimahles.
Also, Kambulas being territorial there, prob means instability for some other prides in/or near that area, as if for example they oust Mantimahles, Torchwood pride subs and their offspring would be in danger. Then in future they will expand, endangering near by prides in case of violent takeover, etc.
Theres no "utopia" in the wild, where all prides and coalitions will thrive, when some thrive, others struggle, and vice versa.
04-13-2025, 01:34 PM( This post was last modified: 04-13-2025, 02:33 PM by sunless )
Do not really know what is happening in the North.
Do not know if the males that chase the Kambula and Nkuhumas are really the Mantimahles as Ndhzenga Males are the male lions that is popping up recently in the North and no footage of Mantimahles only Ndhzengas.
Or maybe the Mantimahle is there but run off as the Ndhzenga Males arrive.
04-13-2025, 06:12 PM( This post was last modified: 04-13-2025, 10:50 PM by FACR2212 )
(04-13-2025, 04:42 PM)T_Ferguson Wrote: I feel so bad for this group. The N'Was won't be able to stay up here, and no other group of males seems to want to establish themselves.
Why won't they be able to stand up north? They are experienced, territorial males. It wouldn't be a surprise if they decide to settle north. The major problem I see is their longevity, it will be difficult for them if they decide to take the north, to hold healthy and strong 2-3 more years to raise a new generation with Nkuhumas.
Both Monwana Boy and Nkuhuma Boy is seen in Manyeleti, good for them to move there as lion dynamics in Manyeleti is more stable compared to Northern Sabi Sands only problem they would get is Red Road and of course snares.
(04-12-2025, 09:08 PM)Mapokser Wrote: I'd like to think about them as "what if the Nkuhuma male had 3 brothers like him", but as soon as NK had a good opportunity he became a fully territorial male ousting Tumbela with his father
To be fair Kambulas also in 2vs1 situations chassed Mantimahle male and Kruger male and on the spot Nkuchuma/Nhenha were they would probably do the same.
Yeah but my point was that NK had the "tenacity" to stick to the Western Sector until Tumbela was properly ousted and then he took over the territory being fully dominant very quickly.
The Kambula ousted the BDM and simply left. Made no efforts to hunt them down, would share food with them, allow them to be with the pride, and go take a trip to Sabi Sabi every now and then.
They in many many opportunities, refused to take over an empty area with a big pride, NK male wouldn't have missed such opportunities to be dominant, as he didn't. He only left when the PCM forced him to, the Kambulas went back to nomadhood out of sheer will to follow buffalo and be nomads.
It wasn't until later that PCM and Mantimahle came into play, it was to a point that, at the time, some thought the other duos such as PCM wouldn't be able to beat Kambula because the Kambula had beaten another territorial duo already.
(04-13-2025, 01:34 PM)sunless Wrote: Do not really know what is happening in the North.
Do not know if the males that chase the Kambula and Nkuhumas are really the Mantimahles as Ndhzenga Males are the male lions that is popping up recently in the North and no footage of Mantimahles only Ndhzengas.
Or maybe the Mantimahle is there but run off as the Ndhzenga Males arrive.
I doubt the guides would mistake the Ndhzenga for Mantimahle as the Mantimahle have bigger, very distinctive manes.
They were mating with Nkuhumas after chasing Kambulas. I wouldn't be surprised if they ran after the Ndhzenga arrived. The Ndhzenga had chased them off their carcass in the north before.
Posted yesterday by Tendai, meaning that probably took place on either April 10th-11th. Not sure if thats another persecution or the same reported by Deon(?). Good job by the Mantimahle regardless "Kambula males got chased away from their 2 buffalo carcasses by Mathimanhe Arathusa area move west into elephant plains yesterday and today they are back in Arathusa area the same area hoping to scavenge so leftovers from their buffalo kill unfortunately nothing is left.mathimahle and one Nkuhuma lioness in Hoffman property"
Both Monwana Boy and Nkuhuma Boy is seen in Manyeleti, good for them to move there as lion dynamics in Manyeleti is more stable compared to Northern Sabi Sands only problem they would get is Red Road and of course snares.
Both Monwana Boy and Nkuhuma Boy is seen in Manyeleti, good for them to move there as lion dynamics in Manyeleti is more stable compared to Northern Sabi Sands only problem they would get is Red Road and of course snares.
(04-13-2025, 04:42 PM)T_Ferguson Wrote: I feel so bad for this group. The N'Was won't be able to stay up here, and no other group of males seems to want to establish themselves.
Why won't they be able to stand up north? They are experienced, territorial males. It wouldn't be a surprise if they decide to settle north. The major problem I see is their longevity, it will be difficult for them if they decide to take the north, to hold healthy and strong 2-3 more years to raise a new generation with Nkuhumas.
Hi. I would worry if this happens. I do not think Ndzhenga male lions would leave Kambula lions. I would hope not. Ndzhenga male lions have been strong with Kambula. I thought since Ndzhenga male lions were with K5 and K7 may have more cubs they wouldn’t be interested in moving.
There is still three more Kambula lionesses with twelve sub adults. I wonder if they may start getting attention from Ndzhenga male lions. I would think in a few weeks Ndzhenga male lions may be the three Kambula lionesses with twelve sub adults. Also Nestuvo lionesses maybe in a few months may have attention from Ndzhenga male lions.
When Plain camp male lions were with Nkhuma; coming back and forth. Attention was giving to Tsalala lioness and Ximhungwe lioness, young Othowa lionesses. I wonder how Tsalala lioness and Talamatie lioness is. I have not heard from Tsalala and Talamatie.
8 hours ago( This post was last modified: 8 hours ago by sunless )
Kruger Male seen at Shirley's Property contact calling, wondering who he is contact calling as I do not know how long can a lion will find/contact coal for their lost coalition member/partner.
Also in the 3rd video his back side lack fur/hair maybe due to injuries or just his body aging.
8 hours ago( This post was last modified: 8 hours ago by sunless )
Styx Male with K12, he seems to be testing the waters again like on how he did on his fathers territory at Londolozi and now roaring in Gijima Males/Ndhzenga Males territory now at Umkumbe area. (Not 100% sure if Ndhzenga has a territory at Umkumbe but Kambula Pride have been sighted visiting the area from time to time.)
7 hours ago( This post was last modified: 7 hours ago by Tr1x24 )
(8 hours ago)sunless Wrote: Styx Male with K12, he seems to be testing the waters again like on how he did on his fathers territory at Londolozi and now roaring in Gijima Males/Ndhzenga Males territory now at Umkumbe area. (Not 100% sure if Ndhzenga has a territory at Umkumbe but Kambula Pride have been sighted visiting the area from time to time.)
Umkumbe is pretty much "no man's" land between Ndhzengas and Gijimas, because of it we often see nomads hanging there.
K12 is looking at him like : "thats not good idea bro".
Btw, do you guys think K12 might be infertile? She will be 6 yrs old now.
Lone nomadic lionesses tend to slower go in estrus, but even Tsalala started mating regulary at 5 and had cubs shortly after.
If not inferile, her female hormons might be very low because of her situation and behaviour.
