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Lions of Sabi Sands
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 (09-03-2023, 09:22 PM)Duco Ndona Wrote: Well. Take your pick of the current coalitions. Only few of them have a cool or tragic story attached to them that is likely to be brought up in 2033. And who won’t? Young nomadic coalitions don’t count just yet so that leaves plains camp nwaswitshaka northern avoca southern avoca black dam and gijima who won’t be remembered? 
Well. The Northern Avoca's probably get a pass due to the gruesome death of Darkmane and giving us an opportunity to get a small glimpse of how lions react to such incidents. But yeah. The others dont stand out that much against eachother. As things are now. After they are gone there isn't much reason to bring them up again.
I believe all of the coalitions and prides, more so than individual lionesses as the information we receive on them occurs with less frequency, will be remembered for a very long time, likely as long as those of us who follow them closely live, far more than those from the past. I believe this is due to the amount of information we are able to receive, how quickly we receive it, and the much higher numbers of people following them, as opposed to lions from the past like say Blondie and Dozie, among many others who are still discussed today, albeit infrequently. I, personally, was not following lions during that period, but it seems to me that those who were regularly describe scenarios from that time involving a plethora of different lions, to the appreciation of those who were not around to experience those stories. Countless lions from the past are not remembered simply due to the lack of available information on them, and the numbers of people receiving that information. I don't believe that will be the case for those of us who follow them today.
Personally, I believe the vast majority of wild lions today, certainly males, coalitions, and prides (see the above reasoning for this) in often traversed parks and reserves, will be remembered by those who follow them closely, and in fact cannot think of any who will not be, regardless of their exploits. Koppies Pride being one such example, since the last lone lioness went into Kruger, we have received no information on her, so we barely discuss her anymore, but I will never forget them, and much of what that pride went through, and suffered, in those last months. Though I am also sure there are a lot of lions in lost corners of Kruger and other locations that were are not able to read about and witness, and of course they will not be remembered because we barely, or not at all, know that they exist, and I am sure those lions are perfectly fine with that. The same goes for Tigers as well. While we may not discuss certain lions of the past often, I can assure you there are plenty who remember them, and that they once existed. You can say the same thing about every one of us as well. There will come a time that nobody will remember us, or know we existed, but the memories will remain with those who knew us for as long as they live, and I believe the same goes for these beautiful cats. Trying to claim that we will only remember the Northern Avocas due to the horrible death of one of their beloved members, I believe is disingenuous, and does them a disservice as it takes away from all that they accomplished, together and individually. Trust me, there are plenty of us who will remember plenty of the Avocas, both sets, that doesn't involved DM's death. 
Monday, 28 August 2023
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Yes, but how often do we actually talk about those outside their current updates.
To the people that join us in 2030. How many of the lions alive today will actually pop up in conversation again when we talk with them and what kind of stories will be told? Its not just about one individual remembering a specific lion. But the community as a whole?  (09-03-2023, 06:26 PM)Duco Ndona Wrote: To be honest. Most of the lions and coalitions of the past few years will likely be forgotten in a few years. They are nothing more than the average, lions take over a pride, have cubs and are then beaten stories we heard a countless times.If they do their job they won’t be, in 2030 hopefully SS is full of offspring directly coming from the current coalitions. NSW will be remembered fs mainly for being the ones who finished the Birmingham Boys off, I know they didn’t kill Nhenna but they were just as much at fault for his death after making him nomadic. Northern Avocas will be known for being the coalition that most benefitted off of the demise of the Birmingham Boys and DM will also be remembered for being one of the largest lions in SS. Southern Avocas name will live on thru being one of the best coalitions despite only being two of them and will most likely be compared to Kinky Tail Mr T etc as the best duo in SS, obviously they’ll benefit a lot from being related to the Northern Avocas aswell. PCMs again will be up there as the best duos oat most likely by the end of their reign, could even still be alive by 2030. These just some of the coalitions that will be remembered, rest of them got time to cement their legacy. (09-03-2023, 10:52 PM)Duco Ndona Wrote: Well. The Northern Avoca's probably get a pass due to the gruesome death of Darkmane and giving us an opportunity to get a small glimpse of how lions react to such incidents. But yeah. The others dont stand out that much against eachother. As things are now. After they are gone there isn't much reason to bring them up again.Yeah no (09-03-2023, 11:06 PM)BA0701 Wrote: I believe all of the coalitions and prides, more so than individual lionesses as the information we receive on them occurs with less frequency, will be remembered for a very long time, likely as long as those of us who follow them closely live, far more than those from the past. I believe this is due to the amount of information we are able to receive, how quickly we receive it, and the much higher numbers of people following them, as opposed to lions from the past like say Blondie and Dozie, among many others who are still discussed today, albeit infrequently. I, personally, was not following lions during that period, but it seems to me that those who were regularly describe scenarios from that time involving a plethora of different lions, to the appreciation of those who were not around to experience those stories. Countless lions from the past are not remembered simply due to the lack of available information on them, and the numbers of people receiving that information. I don't believe that will be the case for those of us who follow them today. 100%
I believe that is one of the many reasons for a site like WildFact to exist, to document those stories, and preserve them for future generations of people who wish to follow them. Their stories will be there for all to see, and when someone has a question about a specific lion, or a specific story, then they will ask those of us who are still here, but there is no doubt that those lions will be remembered. I mean, how many people remember King Henry I (I just grabbed a random name, I know nothing of him personally), or more importantly how many people still discuss him today? If not for the documentation for those interested, we would know nothing of him, that and the fact that there were at least 7 more that followed. Such documentation of the lives of these lions is exactly what we all do here, in what I, personally, truly consider to be the best community on the Web.
Sites like WildFact exist so that all the animals discussed here do get remembered, their stories told, recorded and preserved for those coming behind us that are interested in learning about them. That gets directly to the point I made about the availability of information today, as opposed to just 15-20 years ago. I, for one, have been around since well before the Internet, and so there are tons of things from before 1992, give or take, that have been lost to the sand of time, the Internet has changed that in immeasurable ways, most importantly the stories of today will exist for anyone that may wish to learn of them, assuring that those stories remain for all, thus no lions from today will be forgotten.
Yes, but King Henry was the king. Who remembers the guy wiped his kitchen? Or the girl that cooked for that guy. Sure its probably registered somewhere in some dusty tomes somewhere. But unless someone deliberatly looks for the unremarkable, they are swallowed up by time.
Its good that that we now have the internet to keep records of the lions and this site can do wonders in their study. But realistically a lot of animals are going to fall below the radar once they pass away and we move on to the next story of the day. With only a few leaving a lasting legacy to be brought up in conversation. Unless we start doing an lion of the day featurete. Or structure the information in the form of family trees etc. (09-04-2023, 01:50 AM)Duco Ndona Wrote: Yes, but King Henry was the king. Who remembers the guy wiped his kitchen? Or the girl that cooked for that guy. Sure its probably registered somewhere in some dusty tomes somewhere. But unless someone deliberatly looks for the unremarkable, they are swallowed up by time.To be honest I true “fan” will never forget and people like myself will always educate others that have questions plus the history of sabi sands can’t be told without the northern avocas who’ve been here for what now 5+ years many coalitions don’t make it that long and these boys won’t be forgotten (09-04-2023, 01:50 AM)Duco Ndona Wrote: Yes, but King Henry was the king. Who remembers the guy wiped his kitchen? Or the girl that cooked for that guy. Sure its probably registered somewhere in some dusty tomes somewhere. But unless someone deliberatly looks for the unremarkable, they are swallowed up by time. The Internet has seen to it that documented history is no longer only fit for kings, that was precisely my point. We are always open to suggestions, so if you have any ideas for the site, and this goes for everyone, feel free to PM myself or one of the other Mods, also, if you wish to continue this conversation, please feel free to PM me. Thanks! 
I partially agree with Duco Ndona.
I say this because I was browsing through FB recently and saw a post of the scar-nosed Majingilane with a generic title like "legendary king", "immortal king", or whatever. Then, interestingly, there were some people asking stuff like if he was still alive or who he was. Then there was a discussion about someone demanding OP to make the post with info and context for new fans to understand who the lion was and his status, and OP claiming he didn't need to say anything because Scar Nose Majingilane is too legendary and doesn't need any introduction. So we have a lion who was alive 5 years ago, ruled for 8 years as a member of one of the most famous and sucessful coalitions ever, having one of the most well recognized faces out there, but still some new fans/lion followers had no idea who he was. So imagine 10, 20 years later, will less famous lions still be remembered? I'm sure information will still be out there online, but they'll probably barely if at all be mentioned anymore and no one will care about them. Few will get "immortalized" to a point people will still discuss and remember them. (09-04-2023, 06:13 AM)Mapokser Wrote: I partially agree with Duco Ndona. Exactly you said “new” shoot I didn’t that hairy belly had brothers until after I did research a few years ago when I started to follow sabi sands nobody is gonna remember every lion that just being human but if you do a little research all of these coalitions bloodline and story’s are all over sabi sands Kruger manyleti and timbavati… nun of them will be forgotten but some will be more memorable than others is what should’ve been said not they I forget who said it but I took it as huge disrespect  (09-04-2023, 01:50 AM)Duco Ndona Wrote: Yes, but King Henry was the king. Who remembers the guy wiped his kitchen? Or the girl that cooked for that guy. Sure its probably registered somewhere in some dusty tomes somewhere. But unless someone deliberatly looks for the unremarkable, they are swallowed up by time. By the same token, we could say who will remember you 10-20 years after your demise? Seriously? Are you worried and thinking about this now? In fact, I would dare say that more people will remember these lions being discussed today than you. |
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