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09-07-2023, 12:22 AM( This post was last modified: 09-07-2023, 12:26 AM by KM600 )
(09-06-2023, 11:29 PM)Cath2020 Wrote:
(09-06-2023, 07:30 PM)KM600 Wrote: 5 Nkhulus apparently spotted in Mala Mala
Oh! This could get interesting! I suppose the Delaporte Male decided to remain at a distance after his attack....maybe spooked him into realize that staying away from the young males seems to be the better choice at keeping him safe these days. I think it's his choice, since we see him off and on with one or two of the males, but not again with so many of the coalition. The 5 strongest seem to be testing the waters in Sabi Sands now. Let's see what happens. If they decide to stay, they will undoubtedly try to take out the physically weakest duo left....or what they judge to be the weakest. The Kambulas or Mangheni make the most sense for FIVE males, not the Sand River Pride or the smaller Southern Pride. The Styx Lionesses are still too young and won't be ready to breed for at least another year. Maybe up north to the Nkhumas or Talamati? How many breeding age females are there left in those prides?
4 in Talamati not sure about Nkuhuma, remember seeing a comment today saying ‘it’s not a matter of if they takeover territory in SS/KNP, it’s how much they takeover’ - couldn’t agree more.
(09-06-2023, 07:30 PM)KM600 Wrote: 5 Nkhulus apparently spotted in Mala Mala
Oh! This could get interesting! I suppose the Delaporte Male decided to remain at a distance after his attack....maybe spooked him into realize that staying away from the young males seems to be the better choice at keeping him safe these days. I think it's his choice, since we see him off and on with one or two of the males, but not again with so many of the coalition. The 5 strongest seem to be testing the waters in Sabi Sands now. Let's see what happens. If they decide to stay, they will undoubtedly try to take out the physically weakest duo left....or what they judge to be the weakest. The Kambulas or Mangheni make the most sense for FIVE males, not the Sand River Pride or the smaller Southern Pride. The Styx Lionesses are still too young and won't be ready to breed for at least another year. Maybe up north to the Nkhumas or Talamati? How many breeding age females are there left in those prides?
4 in Talamati not sure about Nkuhuma, remember seeing a comment today saying ‘it’s not a matter of if they takeover territory in SS/KNP, it’s how much they takeover’ - couldn’t agree more.
I believe so. Maybe there will be some eye-opening takeover attempts this year or the next from the Nkhulus and the Nkuhuma Males... Then there are the Kambula Males... So I wonder which of these 3 will make the most impact in the main area of Sabi Sands and nearby areas. All have by far the best numbers on their side to get any pride they desire from one or two males. For some reason, the Nharus are probably safe, RR has gotten so lucky for years not having a large coalition go full throttle to take his pride, so I suspect we'll probably see other prides get the raw end of the deal (if there are young offspring involved). My fear about RR is that he's already started, or will soon, to mate with his own daughters. So just like the Mbiris, there will be yet more inbreeding in the Manyaleti main prides.
I believe (and hope) the PCMs have what it take to stave off this group as they are today, for the sake of all the new Mangheni cubs. It would be an absolute disaster for that pride to lose another round of cubs at this juncture. Not to mention, PCMs are going to be a handful for any coalition, and given recent history, I am not sure all 5 of these males are going to be willing to stand in the face of a challenge by them. Perhaps in time, but I think right now is a bit early.
Now, I am not so sure the S Avocas didn't leave a little too soon, it seems to me that these boys have left southern Sabi Sands after they abandoned Dreadlocks to his fate with them. Solo S Avoca might still have a chance to reclaim some of what is his. S Avocas departure left them golden opportunities, and they left it behind. That alone tells me it is a little too soon for the likes of the PCMs and Nwas. Heading North doesn't get much easier, you have the BDMs and Mohawk and the Boys up there, with those two being the most unproven males in the general area currently. The easiest opportunities they had were in the south, and it looks like they may have abandoned it.
09-07-2023, 01:31 AM( This post was last modified: 09-07-2023, 01:34 AM by KM600 )
(09-07-2023, 12:37 AM)Cath2020 Wrote:
(09-07-2023, 12:22 AM)KM600 Wrote:
(09-06-2023, 11:29 PM)Cath2020 Wrote:
(09-06-2023, 07:30 PM)KM600 Wrote: 5 Nkhulus apparently spotted in Mala Mala
Oh! This could get interesting! I suppose the Delaporte Male decided to remain at a distance after his attack....maybe spooked him into realize that staying away from the young males seems to be the better choice at keeping him safe these days. I think it's his choice, since we see him off and on with one or two of the males, but not again with so many of the coalition. The 5 strongest seem to be testing the waters in Sabi Sands now. Let's see what happens. If they decide to stay, they will undoubtedly try to take out the physically weakest duo left....or what they judge to be the weakest. The Kambulas or Mangheni make the most sense for FIVE males, not the Sand River Pride or the smaller Southern Pride. The Styx Lionesses are still too young and won't be ready to breed for at least another year. Maybe up north to the Nkhumas or Talamati? How many breeding age females are there left in those prides?
4 in Talamati not sure about Nkuhuma, remember seeing a comment today saying ‘it’s not a matter of if they takeover territory in SS/KNP, it’s how much they takeover’ - couldn’t agree more.
I believe so. Maybe there will be some eye-opening takeover attempts this year or the next from the Nkhulus and the Nkuhuma Males... Then there are the Kambula Males... So I wonder which of these 3 will make the most impact in the main area of Sabi Sands and nearby areas. All have by far the best numbers on their side to get any pride they desire from one or two males. For some reason, the Nharus are probably safe, RR has gotten so lucky for years not having a large coalition go full throttle to take his pride, so I suspect we'll probably see other prides get the raw end of the deal (if there are young offspring involved). My fear about RR is that he's already started, or will soon, to mate with his own daughters. So just like the Mbiris, there will be yet more inbreeding in the Manyaleti main prides.
Away from the Talamati males and the Nkuhuma boys with Mohawk, I’m really interested to see what happens with the 4 Kambulas and their sister. Was already reported that atleast one of the boys was trying his luck with her some time ago and she still stayed with them, so does she stay with them even after they takeover a pride? I think theoretically it could work as long as the males made it clear she has to be tolerated by all the other pride females.
First they will prob establish territory in ex S.Avocas area and take Sand River and Plain Camp prides, they where already seen with few females, and for time being they will prob not push further into Sabi Sands.
How long will this last and what will happen after that its hard to predict.
Exploration and encounters with neighbouring coalitions will prob happen in these times when new coalition establish territory, to establish borders, it happens with every new coalition in new area, so them exploring further north is not unexpected.
Remember 2017 and when Mantimahles where starting to explore SS, all said they would take whole SS, but they never establish territory in SS, despite south being fully open with Charlestons moving into Kruger, they just suddenly decide to move in other direction towards Nkhulu area.
(09-06-2023, 07:30 PM)KM600 Wrote: 5 Nkhulus apparently spotted in Mala Mala
Oh! This could get interesting! I suppose the Delaporte Male decided to remain at a distance after his attack....maybe spooked him into realize that staying away from the young males seems to be the better choice at keeping him safe these days. I think it's his choice, since we see him off and on with one or two of the males, but not again with so many of the coalition. The 5 strongest seem to be testing the waters in Sabi Sands now. Let's see what happens. If they decide to stay, they will undoubtedly try to take out the physically weakest duo left....or what they judge to be the weakest. The Kambulas or Mangheni make the most sense for FIVE males, not the Sand River Pride or the smaller Southern Pride. The Styx Lionesses are still too young and won't be ready to breed for at least another year. Maybe up north to the Nkhumas or Talamati? How many breeding age females are there left in those prides?
4 in Talamati not sure about Nkuhuma, remember seeing a comment today saying ‘it’s not a matter of if they takeover territory in SS/KNP, it’s how much they takeover’ - couldn’t agree more.
09-07-2023, 02:07 AM( This post was last modified: 09-07-2023, 02:08 AM by BA0701 )
(09-07-2023, 01:50 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote: Its too early to predict what will Nkhulus do.
First they will prob establish territory in ex S.Avocas area and take Sand River and Plain Camp prides, they where already seen with few females, and for time being they will prob not push further into Sabi Sands.
How long will this last and what will happen after that its hard to predict.
Exploration and encounters with neighbouring coalitions will prob happen in these times when new coalition establish territory, to establish borders, it happens with every new coalition in new area, so them exploring further north is not unexpected.
Remember 2017 and when Mantimahles where starting to explore SS, all said they would take whole SS, but they never establish territory in SS, despite south being fully open with Charlestons moving into Kruger, they just suddenly decide to move in other direction towards Nkhulu area.
I hope so, give the rest of SS a chance to settle in, a lot of turmoil in recent times, and most importantly give all the new cubs a better chance.
I actually think the Nkhulus wouldn’t be as much of a threat to most coalitions straight away as long as they weren’t the ones responsible for killing the Southern Avoca, bar possibly killing him the only lions I know of them killing were either subadults or females. Their lack of experience against grown dominant males would somewhat halt them and it would also depend on if the Sand River Pride either accepts them or they go on the run, them running off is prolly the worst case scenario for the Gijimas and NSW as the Nkhulus could very well turn their attention to the adjacent prides.
(09-07-2023, 02:43 AM)KM600 Wrote: I actually think the Nkhulus wouldn’t be as much of a threat to most coalitions straight away as long as they weren’t the ones responsible for killing the Southern Avoca, bar possibly killing him the only lions I know of them killing were either subadults or females. Their lack of experience against grown dominant males would somewhat halt them and it would also depend on if the Sand River Pride either accepts them or they go on the run, them running off is prolly the worst case scenario for the Gijimas and NSW as the Nkhulus could very well turn their attention to the adjacent prides.
Was thinking the same thing earlier, what has become of the missing S Avoca, and where these boys involved. We've all seen it, it only takes one encounter for young males to discover their confidence, and a confident Nhkulus will be a danger to all in the area, though we have not seen evidence of that to this point.
(09-09-2023, 07:17 PM)criollo2mil Wrote: First glimpses of cubs of the ximunghwe pride. (Gingerella)
Hasn’t Skorro Tumbela been following the Ximhungwe lionesses, PCM gotta chase him off before he finds the cubs. Think it’s obvious that they control too much territory to the point where they’re not around enough in order to deal with these conflicts, doesn’t seem like it will get any better with the Kambula males being more active in SS. Side note: come across a 1 year old video on YT yesterday showing Mohawk challenging them over a carcass and the young males refusing to back down. Even with Mohawk seeming to be more interested with the food, it’s impressive they atleast tried to stand up to him, no doubt they’ve grown a whole lot since then aswell. Look to be destined for greatness.
(09-09-2023, 07:17 PM)criollo2mil Wrote: First glimpses of cubs of the ximunghwe pride. (Gingerella)
Hasn’t Skorro Tumbela been following the Ximhungwe lionesses, PCM gotta chase him off before he finds the cubs. Think it’s obvious that they control too much territory to the point where they’re not around enough in order to deal with these conflicts, doesn’t seem like it will get any better with the Kambula males being more active in SS. Side note: come across a 1 year old video on YT yesterday showing Mohawk challenging them over a carcass and the young males refusing to back down. Even with Mohawk seeming to be more interested with the food, it’s impressive they atleast tried to stand up to him, no doubt they’ve grown a whole lot since then aswell. Look to be destined for greatness.
Unless there is a chance he might be lead to believe they are his. Don't know if he has mated with them recently or not.
Kambulas did that with another well known male as well, over a carcass. I want to say it was Wide Nose, I don't honestly recall exactly who, but they flat out refused to give that carcass up to the much larger male.
Its hard to be joyfull for the occasion when these cubs have a very uncertain future ahead of them.
Last time they didnt even live long enough to be captured on camera.
